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15th November 2004, 14:18

I'm not so handy. But I was thinking about a car radiator.

15th November 2004, 15:01

http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/waterkit.asp

the high end swiftec kits are also very good

best would be a kit you choose yourself.

it was jort who said that you need a pelt that is rated double the wattage of your cpu.

jort · 15th November 2004, 16:36

Quote:

Originally posted by wittekakker
SiSoft Sandra says that my CPU uses circa 95W, and TEC's need to be double of that, so at least 190W. But maybe I overclock some more, so i need some space...

The hardest thing to do is to find a good cpu block (read: very very very good!)

i didnt told about that you need to double your W of your cpu to know what pelt needed

and about the pic you just posted, think you need to read the text @ the red boxes.
dT means te difference in temperature between the different flows.
you think the max watertemp is 14°

so i could say my block has @ dT of 10°
but my actual temp of my procc is 50°

you get my point

jort · 16th November 2004, 16:56

i know i am going to deep but thats me.

again about the pelt.
i have a small discussion with a friend of mine in my class.
here it is
=> you have a cpu stressed @ 100W, you put a pelt of 120W and a pelt(1) of 200W(2) on it.
Is the temp going to be different?(pelts have the same d T.)
we agreed No.(some small difference between idle and stressed)

same comparison with a room that has a W output of 1000W so you put an airconditioning in it of 1500 W or one of 5000W,
they operate @ 10°.the roomtemp of both is going to be the same. but the bigger one can transfer more heat than the smaller one.

there is going to be 1 difference. the pelt with the biggest W can deal better with the difference between idle and stressed.
k that could be a persuation of buying the pelt 2.
but dont forget about something
your cpu is 100W you double it to get the pelt thats 200W
together that is 300W(i know i am good @ math

)
you will know it @ the eletric bill

geoffrey · 16th November 2004, 17:50

Well, the double W thing, I've read that on the tweakers.net forum I think.
Somewhere else I have seen a picture of different pelts without any load (just the air), and the pelt with the most power got the lowest temp. So 200W TEC will do better then 120W TEC I think in the same situation with the same processor.

The eceltrical bill, hmmm, doesnt make a difference to me. I'm only going to test the pelts possibility's, not using every day. I have some other stuff laying around here (no Kristos, not the Freeze 75 I mentiond on the Telenet forum

) and with that I want to build a good cooling solution specially fof benchmarking only.
Thats why everything needs to be as cheap as possible

16th November 2004, 18:19

a more powerfull pelt on top of another pelt wilt offer you better temps. just like a cascade phase change cooling system will give you a better temp then a single phase change system.

even if the pelts maintain the same temp (wich they don't apparently), the seccond pelt will optimize the cooling performance form the first pelt.

about that powerbill:

A: for now, I don't have to pay it and
B: if my attempt to make a chiller works out, the wattage use of some pelts is insignificant

jort · 16th November 2004, 18:36

Quote:

Originally posted by kristos
a more powerfull pelt on top of another pelt wilt offer you better temps. just like a cascade phase change cooling system will give you a better temp then a single phase change system.

that is very correct

because they have together a dT of 120 °
you will need a good rad to drain the heat

19th November 2004, 18:39

Pelt arived today in my mailbox (the one close to the street).
Packed in a nice foam enveloppe, with "commercial sample" on it , on my request, so no tax.
The guy from Thermal Enterprises is very correct , and ships very fast! (only 1 week , and pelt was here)
But in my case, it was 2 weeks, because I did the mail to a wrong e-mailadress "MMH40C... instead of "mmh40c@aol.com"
Caps :-)

19th November 2004, 19:56

hehehe commercial sample ey, I'll (try) to keep that in mind

now we want to see some f***ing results :grin:

19th November 2004, 20:01

Lol, yeah, comemercial sample.
I did that because i ordered a few years ago some stuff in the USA. Not that expencive, but once the package was arived in Belgium, the Postal BTW send me a note that i need to pay some import tax on that item :-(
If you ask the sender-seller to put a stamp or seal on it, wit commercial sample on it, you avoid to pay the tax (if he wants to do that)
But why not, record delivery time here was 3 days, out of Israel, with US firm as a contact person

Results: sorry, only got the chance to begin with it next-midweek, and later that week (i hope friday) i got my customized watercoolingblocks for cpu/vga/vga-memory

16th November 2004, 16:56	#44
jort Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: mechelen(belgium) Posts: 2,037	i know i am going to deep but thats me. again about the pelt. i have a small discussion with a friend of mine in my class. here it is => you have a cpu stressed @ 100W, you put a pelt of 120W and a pelt(1) of 200W(2) on it. Is the temp going to be different?(pelts have the same d T.) we agreed No.(some small difference between idle and stressed) same comparison with a room that has a W output of 1000W so you put an airconditioning in it of 1500 W or one of 5000W, they operate @ 10°.the roomtemp of both is going to be the same. but the bigger one can transfer more heat than the smaller one. there is going to be 1 difference. the pelt with the biggest W can deal better with the difference between idle and stressed. k that could be a persuation of buying the pelt 2. but dont forget about something your cpu is 100W you double it to get the pelt thats 200W together that is 300W(i know i am good @ math ) you will know it @ the eletric bill __________________ watercooling, chilled water,direct phase change, cascade, custom modding

16th November 2004, 17:50	#45
geoffrey [M] Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,127	Well, the double W thing, I've read that on the tweakers.net forum I think. Somewhere else I have seen a picture of different pelts without any load (just the air), and the pelt with the most power got the lowest temp. So 200W TEC will do better then 120W TEC I think in the same situation with the same processor. The eceltrical bill, hmmm, doesnt make a difference to me. I'm only going to test the pelts possibility's, not using every day. I have some other stuff laying around here (no Kristos, not the Freeze 75 I mentiond on the Telenet forum ) and with that I want to build a good cooling solution specially fof benchmarking only. Thats why everything needs to be as cheap as possible __________________

15th November 2004, 14:18	#41
agent #2 Posts: n/a	I'm not so handy. But I was thinking about a car radiator.

15th November 2004, 15:01	#42
kristos Posts: n/a	http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/waterkit.asp the high end swiftec kits are also very good best would be a kit you choose yourself. it was jort who said that you need a pelt that is rated double the wattage of your cpu.

16th November 2004, 18:19	#46
kristos Posts: n/a	a more powerfull pelt on top of another pelt wilt offer you better temps. just like a cascade phase change cooling system will give you a better temp then a single phase change system. even if the pelts maintain the same temp (wich they don't apparently), the seccond pelt will optimize the cooling performance form the first pelt. about that powerbill: A: for now, I don't have to pay it and B: if my attempt to make a chiller works out, the wattage use of some pelts is insignificant

19th November 2004, 18:39	#48
Desert Eagle Posts: n/a	Pelt arived today in my mailbox (the one close to the street). Packed in a nice foam enveloppe, with "commercial sample" on it , on my request, so no tax. The guy from Thermal Enterprises is very correct , and ships very fast! (only 1 week , and pelt was here) But in my case, it was 2 weeks, because I did the mail to a wrong e-mailadress "MMH40C... instead of "mmh40c@aol.com" Caps :-)

19th November 2004, 19:56	#49
kristos Posts: n/a	hehehe commercial sample ey, I'll (try) to keep that in mind now we want to see some f***ing results :grin:

19th November 2004, 20:01	#50
Desert Eagle Posts: n/a	Lol, yeah, comemercial sample. I did that because i ordered a few years ago some stuff in the USA. Not that expencive, but once the package was arived in Belgium, the Postal BTW send me a note that i need to pay some import tax on that item :-( If you ask the sender-seller to put a stamp or seal on it, wit commercial sample on it, you avoid to pay the tax (if he wants to do that) But why not, record delivery time here was 3 days, out of Israel, with US firm as a contact person Results: sorry, only got the chance to begin with it next-midweek, and later that week (i hope friday) i got my customized watercoolingblocks for cpu/vga/vga-memory