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jmke 10th May 2010 12:01

no need to copy, just run the movie from USB stick :-)
iPad is way too expensive for what it is.

thorgal 10th May 2010 12:47

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Originally Posted by wutske (Post 257848)
@thorgal: it appears that many people think the iPad is too heavy because you have to hold it all the time. I won't hear people complain about a 1,5kg netbook because you can put it on a table and still be able to use it.

You can indeed watch movies on the iPad, but only a few codecs are supported by the iPad, something a netbook won't suffer from. You can use AirVideo (or whatever it's called) to stream the video to the Ipad, but then you'll need a fast computer running somewhere at home that can convert the video's in real-time or you convert them before you put them in the iPad, but that's just a waste of time in my humble opinion. Copying the movie to a netbook is still a lot faster.

You can put an ipad on the table and still be able to use it.... haven't read any real complaints about weight honestly, I did read that the weight was "more than expected" and takes some getting used to.

The other remark is justified though : Apples proprietary system works on many peoples nerves, including mine. You can of course convert any movie to the right format, but that's a pain. Just a matter of time though until the right jailbreak appears, and all codecs are supported.


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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 257849)
no need to copy, just run the movie from USB stick :-)
iPad is way too expensive for what it is.

The lack of a USB port cannot be forgiven though, I agree with you there. Other than that, I still haven't read any serious argument to explain why the ipad is overpriced. Show me one other touch device with 9,5" or more for $500 or less. Silence...

Kougar 10th May 2010 12:55

If we are going to compare an iPad to a netbook... the netbook is going to have a small keyboard, but it at least HAS a keyboard to type on. Typing notes on an iPad isn't going to work especially if you have to hold it at the same time. A person could never keep up with a speaker when dictating notes.

By the time I graduated last year almost every student had a netbook or a notebook just for taking notes and viewing course content. Macbook or PC.... they didn't use their iPhones and won't be using their iPads for the same purpose.

Netbooks solve a market demand, that's why they are still around and will still continue to exist for years.... netbooks won't vanish unless notebooks continue to drop in price. That we are seeing CULV notebooks around the $500 mark is evidence enough there used to be a huge pricing gap. I'd prefer a CULV notebook over any netbook today, but the iPad is a different product. It's not a device for doing work, only consuming content.

thorgal 10th May 2010 13:00

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Originally Posted by Kougar (Post 257852)
If we are going to compare an iPad to a netbook... the netbook is going to have a small keyboard, but it at least HAS a keyboard to type on. Typing notes on an iPad isn't going to work especially if you have to hold it at the same time. A person could never keep up with a speaker when dictating notes.

By the time I graduated last year almost every student had a netbook or a notebook just for taking notes and viewing course content. Macbook or PC.... they didn't use their iPhones and won't be using their iPads for the same purpose.

Netbooks solve a market demand, that's why they are still around and will still continue to exist for years.... netbooks won't vanish unless notebooks continue to drop in price. That we are seeing CULV notebooks around the $500 mark is evidence enough there used to be a huge pricing gap. I'd prefer a CULV notebook over any netbook today, but the iPad is a different product. It's not a device for doing work, only consuming content.

This is what I'm trying to say for a few pages now. iPads are not netbooks, they're merely competing in the "consuming content" department. I've never understood the interest in netbooks at all (compared to other notebooks that is). I just see them as an effort to make notebooks cheaper.

jmke 10th May 2010 13:30

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Show me one other touch device with 9,5" or more for $500 or less.
Silence...
silence? lol... give people a chance to reply before you claim "silence"
€480 10" netbook with touchscreen.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/te...creen-netbook/


€500+ iPad with 16Gb is too much money for what you get in return, a glorified pictureframe.

thorgal 10th May 2010 13:32

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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 257855)
silence? lol... give people a chance to reply before you claim "silence"
480 10" netbook with touchscreen.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/04/te...creen-netbook/

Make that 480 excluding tax!

jmke 10th May 2010 13:35

yes... €580 with tax, for a 10" touchscreen with 160gb HDD
Ipad equivalent offers max 64gb and costs €700+.

sure.. iPad is not overpriced.

I'm no mac hater, but you sure are a mac lover.

thorgal 10th May 2010 13:37

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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 257857)
yes... €580 with tax, for a 10" touchscreen with 160gb HDD
Ipad equivalent offers max 64gb and costs €700+.

sure.. iPad is not overpriced.

I'm no mac hater, but you sure are a mac lover.

Oh really, and that's for a 160Gb SSD no doubt :rolleyes: Apples to oranges.

Mac lover... really : that's what all those PC boys say when they run out of things to bash on :p Apple bashing is very trendy right now, that's for sure.

Edit : You of all people know my background. I've got at least as many PC's as Macs. I've worked with Mac's for almost 25 years now, but never has there been reason to criticize them more than today. I'm very much open to critique when it gets to Apple. They're way too cocky right now, and their arrogance is extremely annoying. But I don't have any trouble to admit when they've done something right as well. And whatever you say, iPad exactly hits "the spot" ;)

wutske 10th May 2010 13:42

If you put an iPad on a table and you want to use it, you'll have to bend over in order to read what's on the screen (the viewing angle seems to be very good, but don't forget the reflecting piece of glass put in front of that screen). It's not ergonomical and it'll ruin your back ;)

I think I've read many reasons why the iPad is too expensive, but the main reason seems to be that you pay much more for it than what a netbook costs, yet you can only do half of what a netbook can do and you are so bound to Apple's demands. The few advantages (dimensions, battery life, 3G, weight) don't justify the price at all.

The pricings don't seem make any sense either. Just look at them, they charge you €100 for an extra 16GB of storage and yet another €100 if you want 3G. You can buy a 3G phone with a 16Gb SSD card for that amount of money ! €479 would be justified if it had like 128Gb of storage and if you'd be able to access it as a USB drive (so you're not limited to iTunes to copy your data).

wutske 10th May 2010 13:47

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Originally Posted by thorgal (Post 257858)
Oh really, and that's for a 160Gb SSD no doubt :rolleyes: Apples to oranges.

Mac lover... really : that's what all those PC boys say when they run out of things to bash on :p Apple bashing is very trendy right now, that's for sure.

Edit : You of all people know my background. I've got at least as many PC's as Macs. I've worked with Mac's for almost 25 years now, but never has there been reason to criticize them more than today. I'm very much open to critique when it gets to Apple. They're way too cocky right now, and their arrogance is extremely annoying. But I don't have any trouble to admit when they've done something right as well. And whatever you say, iPad exactly hits "the spot" ;)

One word: Flash ;)

They say flash is bad and that HTML5 is taking over the web, but unfortunately, flash still rocks the web. It's also extremely lame that they are working on their own flash/silverlight like platform. This I find unacceptable because it's yet another attempt to take controll over something.

It's obvious that people are bashing on Apple lately. They just want to control everything and they're not subtle like Google. That's why people are bashing on Apple, nobody likes their freedom taken away, especialy not by a fruit :p


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