nforce 4 motherboard & PCI-E
 

I'll be buying a new pc very soon, somewhere around 7 dec I'll be buying my pieces online.. now, I saw on a couple of forums the nforce 4 motherboard is already available in country's like Germany... can someone tell me when they will come in Belgium? (as exact as possible please)

IF I buy a nforce 4 motherboard I of course need to buy a PCI-E graphical card... I was looking around on belgium site's and didn't see one (X800 pro or geforce 6800 GT that is) does someone know a belgium site where I can buy them? (I mostly checked hofline & forcom, cheap and good sites)
Or are they going to be available if the nforce 4 motherboard comes to belgium?

If I look to the german sites.. I only see that Radeon X800pro has some PCI-E cards.. what about the Geforce 6800 GT? I don't see them online.. I prefer to buy a Geforce 6800 GT card (from reviews)

forcom hasa X800XT PCI-E on the pricelist .

in .BE you can expect the board mid-end december I guess.
do you want to use SLI ?

SLI is two graphical cards in one PC yeh? Well I don't know if I need that... it could be handy if I buy a new card later you put them together for more graphical power though... why asking?

About that X800XT card.. 500€ is too much for me. :(

you got the MSI A939A K8N Neo4 Diamond that has 2 PCI-E slots.
30-70% increase in FPS in modern games if you use SLI.
you could buy one 6800GT and upgrade later.
one thing, the cards must have the same Bios and modelnr, or it's a no go.

haven't seen a PCI-E GT just yet, wait untill next month or so.

nforce4 already :o

you mean you already have the nforce 4?

@ Gamer: if I'm correct that SLI is very good for in the future?
and about the fact the 2 cards on SLI need to have the same bios and modelnr, mostly the same if you have 2 radeon's or 2 geforce's?

This X800XT is maybe intersting for the use of PCI-E? : http://www.e-bug.de/cgi-ssl/preise.c...=16154&piname='Sapphire+256MB+Radeon+X800+XT+PCI-E+LRTL'&hbestnr='1174245

but.. the x800 xt is like the Geforce 6800 ultra right? but how's it possible that that x800 only costs 430€ when a geforce 6800 GT on that site also costs around 420-430€?

and on the same site a x800 pro also costs around 430€, huh???
though.. not many pro's have PCI-E, mostly the XT's, but can someone please explain me the diference between a x800 pro and a x800 xt, because I though XT is like the ultra of geforce 6800

nope, that the nforce4 is already anounced. in the old day's it took a year before a new chipset came out for the same socket

x800pro --> 475 core 475 mem 12 pipelines
x800 xt --> 500 core 500 mem 16 pipelines
x800 xt pe--> 520 core 575 mem 16 pipelines

numbers may be wrong (xt's mem speeds most likely) but I'm too lazy too look it up and you get the picture no doubt.

x800 XT pe, doesn't the pe stands for platinum?
what should I better buy? a radeon x800 XT or a geforce 6800 GT?

your correct.
=> platinum edition

gf 6800GT is a downclocked Ultra so.
you can oc till your @ ultra speeds.
it has pixel shader 3.0 whats not been used yet so a future feature.

ati x800xt is a, very good card too.
uses features that games use atm

depents what games you play, doom3 will be better on NV then ATI,
and HL2 will go better on ATI then NV so.

only difference is the prize
6800 gt "256mb" about 440-480€
x800 pro 415-460€
x800xt 500-540€

But on german sites like www.e-bug.de radeon X800 XT PCI-E only costs around 430€
example: http://www.e-bug.de/cgi-ssl/preise.c...=16156&piname='Sapphire+256MB+Radeon+X800+XT+PCI-E+FRTL'&hbestnr='1174248 = 430€

so I could best pick the Radeon X800 XT?



But I don't know... is it really a decent effort to buy a nforce 4 with a PCI-E graka at the moment? Will AGP graka's dissapear from the market, and have no future or what? I'm stuck :(

don't doom³ and far-cry (²nd patch and ³rd patch) already use directX9.0c ?

also, the 6800 GT has slower memory then the ultra and different timings in the bios for the ram.

If you're going to upgrade to A64 then nforce4 is the way to go right now and so is pci-x but that doesn't mean that agp is out. I think you'll be able to find agp cards in the shops for at least another year before you have to turn to the seccond hand market but then again; he bigger shops are already no longer selling s748 processors and hardly have s748 motherboards. same story with Axp processors and motherboards..

If I had to move to another platform, I'd save enough money to get a super duper PSU, an nforce4 SLI and 2 identical pci-x 6800GT's.
the psu because you have to power that a64 and two bad *** vidcards and god knows what else.
2 gt's because ati doesn't have sli compatible cards as of yet and because if you buy one now and you buy one later, you may end up with different bios revisions or minor board layout changes..

If the SLI function isn't an absolute must you can still choose for an nfroce4 + pci-x card or an nforce3 + agp card
the psu may not be an absolute must but going on what you said in your other thread I'm thinking you have a very poor psu...

http://www.over-clock.com/cgi-bin/sh...ml%23a620#a620
this is one of the cheapest pci-x cards I know of. I thought they had another one from connect3D or something but I can't' seem to find it anymore...

*edit* decent prices here aswell: http://www.mad-moxx.de/view_artikel_list.php?cat_id=74

psu means power supply right? Well the 380 Watt of a Sonata isn't enough for a nforce 4 with 2 graka's?
What's PCI-X? is it something less good as the PCI-Express but compatible on a nforce 4 motherboard? I don't see much PCI-X cards on the web...

pci-x = pci express
psu = power supply unit

my guess is that that 380w psu from sonata will be a no go with two sli graka's since those are all very power hungry

P.s: you gave me the following link: http://www.mad-moxx.de/view_artikel_list.php?cat_id=74 well.. If I look to the specs I see AGP x8, thats no PCI-X ?

I think.. If I would look to the future upgrades I should better buy a nforce 4 motherboard SLI and a geforce 6800 GT PCI-E

--> I can buy one year later or something like that a new geforce and put them together because of the SLI function.

I can always just buy a new PSU if I'm planning to upgrade? :)

P.S: would it be possible with Nvidia for example to put a geforce 6800 GT in SLI with a Geforce 7 for example? (Geforce 7 is just made up. ;))

I know but you weren't sure if you were going to go agp or pci-x so I thought it wouldn't matter.
http://www.mad-moxx.de/view_artikel_list.php?cat_id=89 look at the bottom, two x800xt's with pci-x

offcourse you can always get a better psu if the one you have now isn't strong enough and if you have the money for it ;)

most likely, you can buy a 6800GT now and buy another one a year later and they will most likely work but the chance of it not working (as small as that chance is) are bigger if you buy one now and one later then when you would buy them at the same time. for all the reasons gamer already mentioned. and unless they stick to the reference design, you probably can't even use 2 6800gt's from different companies.

and normally, you will not be able to place a geforce 6800 and a geforce 7*** in an sli configuration. at leats not working ;)

Than the question now is... where can I find a Geforce 6800 GT for a nforce 4 motherboard? I don't see a geforce 6800 GT PCI-E on the web.. or is it also possible with a AGP one?
for the Geforce 6600 there are enough PCI-X versions..

that I don't know :)

You'll have to wait a little longer, maybe by the time SLI boards from different brands are on the market, there will also be pci-x 6800GT's :D

it's not possible with agp

I heard you saying in one of your previous posts that Radeon doesn't work in SLI? you can't work with two Radeon's on a nforce 4?

So if I would buy the radeon x800 XT PCI-E and a neo4 (nforce 4) SLI It would be a waste of money (on a later opinion) because It will not work with 2 Radeon PCI-E cards?

not as of yet.

ati is working on it but we'll have to wait and see how it's going to work...

maybe they'll have their own sli clone, maybe they'll have cards for an sli setup, perhaps even on nforce4
maybe so many things..

it all depends on how well nvidia has thier sli technology pattented ;)


Some people say ati won't be able to make it work and if they do, it won't be competitive with nvidia's sli but I don't know about that. I have faith in ati ;p
They knocked nvidia from the throne when nobody else thought it possible, they kept that nr1 positions when everyone said nvidia would blow them away in no time. although they're not know for it, they have some desent chipsets... their windows drivers are as good as can be expected...
I think ATI is capable of cooking up their own sli like variant :)

it doesn't seem to be that hard eather if a smaller company like alienware can come up with a way to do it, ati should be able to do it and do it better too.

small comment:

PCI-X = PCI extended (on workstations & the like)
PCI-E = PCI-Extreme
PCX = term used by some graphics card manufacturers for PCI-E compatible card

beware of what you use Kristos, or you'll confuse the newbiez :)

is PCI-Extreme compatible with de nforce 4 slot?

+ I don't know what to do right now, can someone give me advice what I best should do? I could buy a Radeon X800 XT PCI-E ... but how big or small are the changes to put a second one after a year, ... ?

a) just buying a geforce 6800 GT PCI-E would be perfect, I could buy the same one a year later, ... and put them in SLI... but I don't find a Geforce 6800 GT PCI-E online, when will they come? I need my pc around 20 dec!

a) maybe buying a geforce 6600 GT, those are in PCI-E.. but those cards are exactly a generation before the geforce 6800 & x800 ..... maybe buying 2 geforce 6600 GT's and use them already with the SLI function.. 2x geforce 6600 GT = radeon x800xt = geforce 6800 GT ... but I think if you put two geforce 6600 gt's you don't have 2x the power?

:(

I read the article and had a discussion with a friend who knows a lot of these new things, I'm not planning to buy the diamond version, I'll buy the nforce 4 platinum.

Just for confirmation, nforce 4 supports DDR 1 ram right? because he wasn't sure of the fact nforce 4 is DDR 2 or DDR1.

what should I best buy as a single graka then? the radeon x800 xt for 435€?

I didn't know, and neather do quite a few reviewers :s

I've seen PCX on the boxes from pci-express video cards but I still don't really know what PCI extended and PCI extreme do.. :)

and then what exactly is the correct acronym for PCI-Express?




yes it supports ddr:
what card you should buy depends on the games you would like to play, if you'll be using it for linux or not, howmuch you are willing to spend, ...

I'm not going to use my PC with linux, question about the graka's:

the Geforce 6600 GT is there a big difference with the geforce 6800 GT? can you run all the games on full detail and settings etc with a geforce 6600 GT?

because I'll maybe buy a 512 ram graka when many games are running on the unreal 3 engine, so it's maybe best I'll first buy a geforce 6600 GT and in a year a geforce 7xxx maybe

6600GT performance is rather poor compared to the 6800GT, even 2 6600GT's in SLI aren't much better then a single 6800GT on average and on more common resolutions and settings.

read the anandtech review gamer linked.
or if you don't have the time, at least check out graphs like I did ;)


oh and check this out too, some more sli reviews from anandtech and a rather "get-your-head-out-of-the-clouds view" (ontnuchterende kijk) on the sli matters by overclockers..
http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/show...threadid=10405

I read the article, but... will the geforce 6600 GT run games like: world of warcraft, half life 2, battlefield 2, stalker on all the higest things? Or do I need to buy a geforce 6800 GT than?

world of warcraft for sure...

half life ² at 30-45 fps averagely








battlefield 2 and stalker oblivion lost probably the same as half life² give or take a few fps...

so you read the review ey...

are these 2 nforce 4 chips the same? :

http://snogard.de/content.php?artike...eId=145&file=1

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http://www.e-bug.de/cgi-ssl/preise.c...=16835&piname='MSI+7125+K8N+Neo4+Platinum-54G+Sockel939'&hbestnr=


I'm not going to use SLI, so the platinum neo 4 is good huh? but if I read the info of the platinum on e-bug.de there stands: 2x PCI-E 1x & 1x PCI-E 16x, so the platinum also has SLI?

no.

G33MD00D:
PCI-E 1x has but one channel and is a small slot. this will not work for graphics
PCI-E 16x has 16 channels and is the correct slot for graphics cards. most SLI chipsets split this channel into two times 8 channel (which is more than enough) but with 16x slots.

also, if you can afford a 6800GT, go for it. a 6800GT is probably the most futureproof card, you can buy atm in it's pricerange.
a 6600GT can be compared to a 9800pro but with some extra capabilities.

kristos:
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications
PCI-X was designed for heavy duty interface cards (like heavy SCSI raid arrays) long before they were even talking about PCI-E.

the biggest problem with those Geforce 6800 GT's are that they are only AGP atm.. is nforce 4 also the only motherboard that is compatible with the PCI-E?

so you're saying Geforce 6800 GT is the futurecard, but.. isn't the radeon x800xt better?

should I just buy a Geforce 6800 GT AGP and a neo 3 than or what? dilemma all the way :(

no no, just go for a PCI-E setup.

AGP & standard PCI is outdated & will disappear within a year.

yes, a X800XT is better than a 6800GT, but it also costs a lot more & isn\'t SLI capable.

this x800 XT only costs 435€, it\'s a XT and PCI-E : http://www.e-bug.de/cgi-ssl/preise....r=16154&piname=

isn\'t that price weird? they cost 500€+ in belgium. :s
though.. sapphire is reliable aren\'t they...

anyone?

the link doesn\'t work for starters

belgium isn\'t a good reference in general if your looking for the best bang for the buck

and that card probably costs very little because it has no extra\'s whatsoever.
no software bundle, no special adapters or cables, no remote... just card, manual, driver cd and perhaps a molex splitter or something and that\'s it.




thx for the link suaside :super:

I\'m sorry, the working link: http://www.e-bug.de/cgi-ssl/preise.c...r='1174248


I heard the following from someone, is this true? :

DUTCH: so I better should check for a radeon x800pro PCI-E than? :(