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jort 22nd October 2004 20:48

P4 E 2.8 ghz oc'ing
 
oke i am buying some new ram" if everything goes well" this weekend
specs=> ocz 3700+ gold rev3



so if my wc is on wednesday i am going to oc my system as high as possible

but i wanne to ask some questions about some things.
- what is the max for an 2.8 prescott wc cooled
- max volt on the ram
- best timings for the ram

mobo 865G neo2-pls
ram options: 266, 333, 400, 433, 450, 466, 500, 532, 501(4:5), 503(3:4)


tnx:D

jort 22nd October 2004 21:05

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...&articID=22 9
what do i find here :^D
yeah, but al the timings:o
just give me an example;p

kristos 22nd October 2004 23:23

those are those new ones with hynix chips i think...

nwyas, I'd say set your timings to 3-4-4-8 and see how high you can get. then work your way down on the timings untill you find a good compromise. but remember, p4's prefer bandwith over timings. if you max out your ram before you max out your cpu, change the divider.

I have very little experience with p4 overclocking though, maybe ask gamer or someone else. they'll probably be able to help you out much better :)

jmke 23rd October 2004 17:55

TCCD chips from Samsung to be correct;)

jort 23rd October 2004 21:36

about the max vcore?
is that 1.7 like an northwood

ps: tomorrow i'll have the ocz

Gamer 23rd October 2004 22:04

something like that.
for benching, you can go higher, not for 24/7.

and timings DO matter, higher = lower performace.
go for 2.5-3-3-7 with that ram 1:1

kristos 23rd October 2004 23:00

I didn't say it didn't matter, I said that if you have to choose between pure mhz or timings, mhz is the better choice on a P4, generally speaking anyway, offcourse, there will be a point where the diminishing returns become to great.

but in the end, you'll only know if you test what works best for you.

btw jmke :
Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe

3700gold rev3 uses Hynix DTD5
3200Plat rev2 uses TCCD
3700Plat EL uses TCCD

hope this settles what we are using


jort 23rd October 2004 23:48

thanks,

i'll try it tomorrow =>result will follow

agent #2 24th October 2004 09:59

Make sure you cool your mosfets proper.

Gamer 25th October 2004 18:00

results ?
or something went wrong ? ;)

agent #2 25th October 2004 20:33

Check superPI tread. ;)

Gamer 25th October 2004 21:23

nice voltage ;)

jort 25th October 2004 21:41

yes idd
no its 1.55 :D

i'll strap my waterblock on it wednesday.
3.7 here i come, or :o maybe 3.8:^D

btw its 3615mhz.
ocz doing good @ 2.8v

mbot down ?

Sidney 26th October 2004 01:02

Let us know the highest Primestable you reach.;)

jort 26th October 2004 18:23

this is the blok i am going to cool my prcc with. going to be tight and clean @ tomorrow.






Da_BoKa 26th October 2004 18:42

nice work, but i'm not sure it will be very effective!

For starters, there ain't much turbelence, and the inlet isn't placed above the core ( center ) so roughly said you will be cooling your proc with pre-heated water.

just my toughts

s1[]v[]0n 26th October 2004 19:27

Simon says: the block has the same design as mine, mine has only a 7 mm water way, 10 mm deep, and the block is about 4 cm to 6 cm, it keeps my athlon 2500+ @ 2400 mhz 1.95V (good for about 125watts of power) at 29°C .... black ice 1 extreme rad

btw, we're not starters, its not his first block .... we've made more than 1 block together :p

jmke 26th October 2004 19:33

nobody called Jort a n00b; this design is not bad at all, it will give good performance. but Da_boka is just saying that there is more performant design out there for WB's, although for making them yourself you'll need a CNC machine or something which can +/- do the same thing to your block :)

jort 26th October 2004 19:39

uhm i think that they are thought's :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

we have some experience with wc building.
not experts but,
check this out
=> amd 2500+ @ 2.4 ghz, 9800 pro oc'ed core @ 430 (in the same loop) blackice extreme :o



own made block too, same disign

s1[]v[]0n 26th October 2004 19:43

the inlet placed above the core is better, I know but, if the block has enough mass, it does not really matter. My theory is that the block has to have enough mass above the core of the processor :), the copper has to be as thick as possible in the middle, and around that place a good water circulation. But, we'll keep you updated, and do some experiments with WB's when we have our own milling machine :)

jmke 26th October 2004 19:44

what's your point Jort? that design is "okay" but nothing special, and not the most performant.

jort 26th October 2004 19:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Da_BoKa
nice work, but i'm not sure it will be very effective!

For starters, there ain't much turbelence, and the inlet isn't placed above the core ( center ) so roughly said you will be cooling your proc with pre-heated water.

just my toughts

okey the performance wouldn't compare with the latest "expensive" WC blocks.

but my point is for 0.50 € of manufacturing the block, and for the latest you pay 40-60 € and the temps aren't that different

so if you call that less effective

jmke 26th October 2004 20:01

stop using a smiley which is not apprioriate for your post; I never said your design was bad; nor that the block would not be COST effective; read what people say before you start acting all defensive without people attacking you :*

jort 26th October 2004 20:12

oke srry.
w'll see how it performs @ real life tomorrow

Sidney 26th October 2004 21:11

I think I understand his theory regarding "mass" being the saturation point. He might well find the "sweet" spot.

Keep us posted.:)

Nothing beats something you created.

jmke 26th October 2004 21:13

Quote:

Originally posted by lazyman
Nothing beats something you created.
I agree, home made WC is the ultimate :) (after home made phase-change ;))

jort 11th November 2004 01:48

temps atm are 18° idle @ 2.8 ghz fans @ lowest speed.

stredded its 26°

@ 3.666 ghz 25° idle and 32 ° stressed.


think chipset is too hot(fan @ 5000rpm on it) ,3.666 ghz isnt the max i think

were going to make a wc block for it this week. i hope it works

Liquid3D 13th November 2004 22:58

I like it. I admire the effort, and the concept. And I also agree with your theory on Mass (it's a great state hehe just kidding) if there's ample mass then heat will disspate into it. This is why Thermaltake air-cooler's weigh 635-grams.

I give props to anyone who takes the time to mahine, and build their own block, and then install it and actually make it work.
This is how watercooling began, your at the roots of the hobby, and art, the sprirt of watercooling. And I'm not blowing smoke here.

Anyway here's my latest design, hand built...

jort 13th November 2004 23:10

you have some more pics of that?

btw nice one:super:

Liquid3D 13th November 2004 23:21

Sure! I'm glad you like it. I had to hand cut the plexiglass with sissors, and I used the inside padding of band-aids for the seals between the copper, and plexi. I bought a chunk of copper from the 7-11 (they sell it now) and I chissled it with a modified battery operated toothbrush (or as I call it my Oral-B-dremel). I also have different "acclerator nozzles" or as I call them "thimbles with different size nail holes through them." The impingment zone was done using a Phillips screw driver, and I hamered the "cups" or as I call them "Phill's cups." I spray painted the Logo on there with a stencil I had lazer cut at Kinko's. I have had about four emails asking to purchase the design.

I need a name for it though? I thinking of calling it L3D's Liquid-thermo-dynamic-uptake-kinetic-displacement-propagation-extractor-difussion-molecular-equilibrium-distributor-Hertz-Bohlman-stagnation-module

jort 13th November 2004 23:26

lol you cleaned your danger den block.
then you craped out the logo and put your own logo on it.
:^D :^D :^D :grin:

edit:=> you paint the foto
bastard;p

Liquid3D 13th November 2004 23:35

How dare you accuse me of such a nefarious endavor! You skallywag, it took me 1,000 manchild hours to build this baby. Boy you and Danger Den, just cause a guy's waterblock looks like another doesn't mean it's the same. Look their clearly completely different designs!

YOU see there's no L3D WB on the picture on the right/ I mean the left!

jort 13th November 2004 23:35



seems almost the same( accept the logo ):grr:

jort 13th November 2004 23:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquid3D
How dare you accuse me of such a nefarious endavor! You skallywag, it took me 1,000 manchild hours to build this baby. Boy you and Danger Den. Just cuase a guys block looks like another doesn't mean it's the same. Look their clearly different!

YOU see there's no L3D WB on the picture on the right!

1000 hr's :puke: you suck then :^D

i must say the logo is quite cool :ws:

youre a real designer:super:

Liquid3D 13th November 2004 23:38

I went through about 100 designs, want to see pictures of them all? I'm sure JMKE wouldn't mind if I used up all the bandwidth, hehehe.

Man look how dirty those hoses got over time?

All kidding aside I do think your block is a very cool effort. Is it still running?

jort 13th November 2004 23:40

:feesten:

Quote:

Originally posted by Liquid3D
Man look how dirty those hoses got over time?
lol you must use clear water, not water when you finisched your diches:ws:



===>> still running cool and quite :super:

Liquid3D 13th November 2004 23:50

OMG I thought the soap, and solids in the dish water would help with the heat uptake process. Next time I use Joy dishwashing liquid, and not after doing so many dishes.

My next project is coming along. I just sealed all the holes, (this time I used silicon, last time I used putty via JNav's advice) and my TTGI T3 case is almost filled with water. The water is just covereing up the CPU as I write this, and no leaks this time! I call it "Submersive-heat-extraction-displacement-cooling"

jort 13th November 2004 23:57

you wouldn't have any pics of this project?:D

jort 14th November 2004 16:04

oke enough jokes, back to te real job
oc'ing my baby procc.

this morning(very early :p) friend of mine was oc'ing(had e new mobo from jakkerd :D) and that makes we oc'ing too

so what did i get
=> 2.8 ghz to 3.708 ghz
(could reach 3.840 but not stable)



so now i pritty sure its my chipset that holds me back(no kidding:^D )

so i told you that i am going to cool my chipset,(friend of mine saids hey slap your pelt on it) :o
so what i am going to do

make that block, slap my 50w pelt on it, and try to reach 3.8 ghz or "i hope" 4ghz or something :super: :grin:

Nazaar 14th November 2004 18:05

hmmm 4ghz with a 80watt pelt on your cpu, isn't that a bit optimistic ??


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