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thorgal 3rd February 2009 06:34

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Originally Posted by Massman (Post 230378)
In overclocking there are always to aspects that determine the quality of the motherboard: voltage and limit. The first is quite simple to explain: the less voltage you need for a certain setting, the more you have left to push your system even further. To find out if the motherboard is of high quality in terms of voltage scaling we try to find the lowest voltage settings needed for 500FSB, which is a barrier that most people try to reach when overclocking. 500x8, for instance, gives you already 4GHz at a relatively low vcore (as most 45nm C2D's run at <1.2v stock); 500x9 gives you 4.5ghz, which is doable if you have good air-cooling. In case of Asus and MSI, which we tested for voltage scalability as well, we always needed to increase the Vmch (voltage of the northbridge) a little bit to get 500FSB rockstable. The DFI P45 on the other hand, hits 500FSB with the lowest voltages set in the bios for the chipset!

Then I'm screwed, no other words for it. Will have to plug E8600 into DFI X48 to see which one of the two it is (board or cpu).

Edit : which bios did you use ?

Massman 3rd February 2009 09:52

0725, best there is afaik (though an unofficial bios)

thorgal 3rd February 2009 10:44

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Originally Posted by Massman (Post 230398)
0725, best there is afaik (though an unofficial bios)

Last Q: VTT for E8500 @ 500FSB ? Did you have to use GTL-ref ? Any other tweaks ?

Massman 3rd February 2009 11:13

500FSB was completely untweaked: I just set the lowest voltages and boot 500x8 (vcore was raised though)

thorgal 3rd February 2009 13:01

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Originally Posted by Massman (Post 230407)
500FSB was completely untweaked: I just set the lowest voltages and boot 500x8 (vcore was raised though)

Oh well, CPU can be RMA'd so it seems so no harm done.

thorgal 3rd February 2009 22:27

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Originally Posted by Massman (Post 230407)
500FSB was completely untweaked: I just set the lowest voltages and boot 500x8 (vcore was raised though)

I'm totally baffled honestly. I can make 4Ghz with 400x10, 1.375V (not very good, but at least I made it ;) ). ANything over 425FSB is a "C1" though, and I honestly don't know how to fix that.

Only 1 question : is this the board or the CPU ? What do you think ? I can RMA the cpu, but not much use if it's the board. Another question : could it be the ram ? Which ram did you use (currently on Corsair dominator) ?

geoffrey 3rd February 2009 22:33

I honestly wouldn't RMA a cpu if it wouldn't hit the overclock you'd hoped for.

thorgal 3rd February 2009 22:37

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Originally Posted by geoffrey (Post 230429)
I honestly wouldn't RMA a cpu if it wouldn't hit the overclock you'd hoped for.

The cpu is eligible for RMA, as it is defective (the stuck sensor bug is a known issue for Intel, they'll replace it for sure).

But to answer your statement : why should I keep it when I can't OC it ? So what should I use it for : heating the room ? I bought it specifically to OC, so if it doesn't meet it's requirements, it has to go.

Massman 3rd February 2009 22:52

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Originally Posted by thorgal (Post 230428)
I'm totally baffled honestly. I can make 4Ghz with 400x10, 1.375V (not very good, but at least I made it ;) ). ANything over 425FSB is a "C1" though, and I honestly don't know how to fix that.

Only 1 question : is this the board or the CPU ? What do you think ? I can RMA the cpu, but not much use if it's the board. Another question : could it be the ram ? Which ram did you use (currently on Corsair dominator) ?

From the looks of it, it seems that you either have the worst dfi P45 or the worst E8600. 4G with 1.375v is really weak, so I'm leaning towards the E8600 being crap, although I can't figure out why that would affect the FSB ocability so badly.

leeghoofd 5th February 2009 20:03

ow man that 's a sucky E8600... mine did 4.5Ghz 1.36 stable 24/7 and even benched under water at 5Ghz ( only superpi 1mb and AM3 )

The voltage requirement for 3.8ghz is not a good sign at all mate, you got another s775 board to test it on ? otherwise you can get my UD3P with DDR3if you want (if I can get an X58 next week) : though that board is really a challenge to get going unlike it's DDR2 brother that just flies out of the box

blind_ripper 5th February 2009 22:51


massman @ work with phenomII ;)

Massman 5th February 2009 23:02

And YES, I am aware that I need to pay the hairdresser a visit soon :-p

leeghoofd 5th February 2009 23:30

is that rendez vous also for the hair on ya arms ?

blind_ripper 6th February 2009 00:34

euhm massman uw DFI is een brok **** :D.
denk dak er eerst een andere bios ga mogen op smijten voor da em gaat willen clocken, graak niet eens boven de 500fsb :s!!!
single channel werkt goe ma dual channel is echt pain in the *** :(.

leeghoofd 6th February 2009 08:27

wel custom pc had 470FSB issues met hetzelfde bordje

jmke 6th February 2009 09:21

ow, that collection of hair on the photo is you Massman? :D

geoffrey 10th February 2009 20:15

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Installed Prometeia cooling on 8800GTS 320MB.
Core is idling at -18°C, during load is goes up to -8°C.
Currently I have it stable at 810/1950/1044 MHz through 3D Mark 2005, GPU needs only 1.45V :)
Stock settings are 500/1200/800.
Top 10 spot in 3D Mark 2005 is secured:



850 MHz on the core would be a nice accomplishment but hard to do, probable need better cooling. With the card scaling like this it might be possible to hit over 900MHz in LN2, but without fast CPU it has no use to even try.

E8600 clocks very sweet using watercooling. No funky stuff like waterchilling, plain air cooled double 120mm radiator+fans and cheap MicroFlow waterblock, cpu can run 5GHz superpi. I'm back to questioning why the cpu didn't go over 520MHz FSB (5200MHz) on the ASUS board. I'm currently using MSI P35.

More results later on ;)

Massman 10th February 2009 20:52

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Originally Posted by blind_ripper (Post 230587)
euhm massman uw DFI is een brok **** :D.
denk dak er eerst een andere bios ga mogen op smijten voor da em gaat willen clocken, graak niet eens boven de 500fsb :s!!!
single channel werkt goe ma dual channel is echt pain in the *** :(.

Send me the board and I'll have a look at it; never had any issues like you have before ... :-/

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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 230594)
ow, that collection of hair on the photo is you Massman? :D

I have been to the hairdresser: Geoffrey can confirm!

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoffrey (Post 230890)
Installed Prometeia cooling on 8800GTS 320MB.
Core is idling at -18°C, during load is goes up to -8°C.
Currently I have it stable at 810/1950/1044 MHz through 3D Mark 2005, GPU needs only 1.45V :)
Stock settings are 500/1200/800.
Top 10 spot in 3D Mark 2005 is secured:

850 MHz on the core would be a nice accomplishment but hard to do, probable need better cooling. With the card scaling like this it might be possible to hit over 900MHz in LN2, but without fast CPU it has no use to even try.

E8600 clocks very sweet using watercooling. No funky stuff like waterchilling, plain air cooled double 120mm radiator+fans and cheap MicroFlow waterblock, cpu can run 5GHz superpi. I'm back to questioning why the cpu didn't go over 520MHz FSB (5200MHz) on the ASUS board. I'm currently using MSI P35.

More results later on ;)

Looking good; did you do any other voltage modifications than the usual vgpu and vddr?

If you want to, we can team up when I finished the X58 round-up if I can keep one of the motherboards ... that should solve your cpu issues :-p

geoffrey 11th February 2009 06:08

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Originally Posted by Massman (Post 230891)
Looking good; did you do any other voltage modifications than the usual vgpu and vddr?

If you want to, we can team up when I finished the X58 round-up if I can keep one of the motherboards ... that should solve your cpu issues :-p

Jups, Isense modification, check my G80 article, its somewhere in between the many replies.

blind_ripper 11th February 2009 10:08

if u want to drop by G, thursday and friday im always home.
cascade and single stage vapochill done by jort ready ;).

geoffrey 11th February 2009 16:47

but I'm not, daily job ;)

geoffrey 11th February 2009 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geoffrey (Post 230890)
Installed Prometeia cooling on 8800GTS 320MB.
Core is idling at -18°C, during load is goes up to -8°C.
Currently I have it stable at 810/1950/1044 MHz through 3D Mark 2005, GPU needs only 1.45V :)
Stock settings are 500/1200/800.
Top 10 spot in 3D Mark 2005 is secured

850 MHz on the core would be a nice accomplishment but hard to do.

Card runs 837/2000/1044 MHz now at 1,55V; next step up is 865MHz which I can't get stable, if 850 was selectable I would be able to complete bechmarks, I'm sure about that now.

Top 5 spot in 3D Mark 2005 is secured now, added roughly 1k today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoffrey (Post 230890)
E8600 clocks very sweet using watercooling

4900MHz watercooled, 3D Mark stable

3D Mark 2003: 1st spot :woot:


jmke 11th February 2009 22:39

pics of the 8800 mounted with the subzero? looks badass :)

you're 1st in the world with 3D03 with this card :ws:
http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?di...rue&limit=2000

Massman 12th February 2009 09:22

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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 230966)
you're 1st in the world with 3D03 with this card :ws:
http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?di...rue&limit=2000

He's in the world even without his first place :-p

Nice going, Geoffrey !!

jmke 12th February 2009 10:14

you misread my post:p

Massman 12th February 2009 10:24

I knew you'd correct it, hence ... why I quoted your incorrect message :-p

jmke 12th February 2009 10:25

I don't know what you are referring to Massman... lay of the LN2 ;)

Massman 12th February 2009 10:28



:D

jmke 12th February 2009 10:43

I edited a spelling mistake in your sentence you originally wrote

Quote:

He's in the worlt even without his first place
;D

Massman 12th February 2009 11:01

Chances are slim that I would make that kind of error and even if I would've made that one, chances are very slim I wouldn't have noticed it when I wrote the sentence. Even if I missed it then, chances are very slim I wouldn't have noticed it when re-reading this thread (which I did a couple of times) and correct it myself. In addition, you only edited my post at 11:24, whereas you posted a message at 11:14 and 11:25, from which I can conclude that IF there was such a spelling error, you must've noticed it in between those two posts, which means that you would've missed such grave spelling error at least one time (when you read my post). Now, knowing that your english is pretty good, I'd say chances at extremely slim you would've missed that

Ergo, chances of you editing my message because of that spelling error = [slim x very slim x very slim x extremely slim] = [1 / an insane number] ~ 0.

:-p

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just to point out of great G's result is :D

jmke 12th February 2009 11:04

you forget the Shady part, your explanation sound Shady to me.

Adds Shady TO Slim=


Massman 12th February 2009 11:11

Nice one :D :D :D

However, if you have indeed edit my post because I misspelled "world", you're saying that both you and me are incapable of recognising such grave spelling error instantly and knowing that Madshrimps contains articles in English ... that would not be so great.

jmke 12th February 2009 11:16

The Worlt Would Go Down in Flames!

Massman 12th February 2009 11:23

To prove my point, I let you know that I spotted your grave spelling error. Note that you making this error has no effect on my statistical analysis of your claim (ROFL, never thought I'd ever write that sentence)

:-p

thorgal 12th February 2009 11:31

Sorry to say John, but MM is right :D

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Dear thorgal,

Massman has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - HWBot chitchat: OCTB to the TOP - in the Project Worklogs & Benchmarks forum of Madshrimps Forum Madness.

This thread is located at:
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...top-44119-new/

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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---Quote (Originally by jmke)---
you're 1st in the world with 3D03 with this card :ws:
http://hwbot.org/searchResults.do?di...rue&limit=2000
---End Quote---
He's in the worlt even without his first place :-p

Nice going, Geoffrey !!
***************
No spelling mistake...

blind_ripper 12th February 2009 12:36

john got ownd :D

jmke 12th February 2009 16:28

at least I congratulated Geoffrey instead of whining about a small typo ;)

blind_ripper 12th February 2009 16:57

treu :-p

geoffrey 12th February 2009 17:58

Love you John!

jmke 12th February 2009 18:12

still waiting for that G80 pic mounted with subzero :love: than I can make it a cool newspost :D


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