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Old 3rd November 2009, 13:32   #241
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Bwoah, yokohoma sure isn't bad, just a tad softer then the regular brands.
Not bad at all
I have michelin and i was going to put some goodyears on it but i've heard they have a real strange driving behavior .
 
Old 3rd November 2009, 13:35   #242
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so you don't think that it's not a proven fact that moving the driving wheels to the rear so the front wheels do only steering gives the best steering (and thus driving) experience?
so you also don't think it's not a proven fact that FWD a safer drive overall as the risk of spinning out is reduced?
those are not opinions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout those are sentences based on the Pro/Con of facts

if RWD drive is not "better handling" why use them on all pro-racing cars and sport cars?
if FWD drive is not "safer" why use them on all family cars and majority of EU cars?
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Old 3rd November 2009, 13:48   #243
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so you don't think that it's not a proven fact that moving the driving wheels to the rear so the front wheels do only steering gives the best steering (and thus driving) experience?
so you also don't think it's not a proven fact that FWD a safer drive overall as the risk of spinning out is reduced?
those are not opinions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout those are sentences based on the Pro/Con of facts

if RWD drive is not "better handling" why use them on all pro-racing cars and sport cars?
if FWD drive is not "safer" why use them on all family cars and majority of EU cars?
Experience is stil personal related thus discussable from person to person.
All your explanations are pretty much logic and in general true. But it's still debateable .
let us take 5 cars from 5 brands with al different drive systems, you think the persons driving those cars will have the same opinion and experience?
 
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What if a person defines "the best driving experience" as "when I feel the most secure"?
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best driving experience = point your car to somewhere and the car doing so in the best manner at the most ideal speed;
if your best experience = slowest. then you are indeed very safe
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best cars are RWD and go to 4wd when you **** up

ever tried getting out of a fourwheelspin on a 4wd?
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add 2 more wheels?
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best cars are RWD and go to 4wd when you **** up

ever tried getting out of a fourwheelspin on a 4wd?
One word: tree

Wonderfull weather to drive with the Fiesta ... thing needed the choke to be fully open to drive around and still it drove like **** <<
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so you don't think that it's not a proven fact that moving the driving wheels to the rear so the front wheels do only steering gives the best steering (and thus driving) experience?
so you also don't think it's not a proven fact that FWD a safer drive overall as the risk of spinning out is reduced?
those are not opinions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_layout those are sentences based on the Pro/Con of facts

if RWD drive is not "better handling" why use them on all pro-racing cars and sport cars?
if FWD drive is not "safer" why use them on all family cars and majority of EU cars?
Rear-wheel drive is used on most sports/racing cars because A: usually the engine is either a mid- or rearmount and thus closer to the back axle, and B: because it is more difficult to build a powerful traction system for a pivotal system (front- or steered wheels) as opposed to a semi-fix system (semi because there's always the differential on the rear axle).

As far as managability goes, front-wheel drive is better, because the bulk of the load is handled easier when that bulk has to follow the traction. With rear-wheel drive, the traction has a tendency to push the car in a straight line foward, regardless the stand of the front wheels. That's why a rear-wheel drive is much harder to handle than a front-wheel drive.

And as far as today's handling of cars goes, don't forget that everything is computer-controlled nowadays. If there's no way of getting into a spin with, for example, an Imprezza B22 or a Nissan GT3000 (I'm getting old, I know) that's more because of the computer engineering, and less because of the 4-wheel drive... such is my experience, anyway...


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