PC Power and Cooling TurboCool 850 SSI PSU Review
 

PC Power and Cooling has repeatedly earned the title as the finest quality PSU money can buy. Their most recent offering epitomizes the company´s devotion to designing a power supply which will last for years, delivering steadfast current under any and all conditions. Using only the highest quality parts and building each unit by hand their new TurboCool 850 SSI has, as with previous models, raised the bar on how to build the very best.

http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=332

How silent is it vs a Tagan or be quiet?

beside comparing the specs, there's not much you can find as answer:)

Can i ask did this PSU use all Japanese Cap??.........

Or they use Teapo:(

i know the 3 big one is Hitachi or something.........but the mid and small cap is ???

@ rutar "32 - 40dB(A)"
@z24z24 i'd be rather surprised if they weren't, considering it's price
one thing i noticed while reading though, you put the same phrase after each other :) "Even Intel has capitulated allowing a single 14x (2.8GHz) multiplier option on recent processors. Even Intel has capitulated allowing a single 14x (2.8GHz) multiplier option on recent processors." it's on page 2 if you wonder :)

woops:) thanks

Monster in power, lavish in quality....
but obly for those interested in running an SLI rig.

I do not intend to ever do that, so what's the Best PC Power & Cooling PSU for a non SLI system?

woos all you need is a PC&C 510 SLI:ws:

:super:

Interesting, will look into it, although I doubt it will be modular, and I am big on cable neatness:(

Lo i know the cable on PSU are too long and mess my PC case up block the air flow:grum:

but i think PC&C are all sleeve cable lo:ws:

so i think the cable wouldn't be any problem for you:super:

mention the cable i once install a zippy 600W PSM :ws:

i love that PSU but you should look at cable mate:grin:

TOO LONG:puke: .........:( .........all case fill up with cable and don't mention a air flow ther was none :mad:

so i do some mod just a basic cut done some no use cable and out them in to the back of the case then it will be just OK...........but still alots of cable to be done:(

I already have sleeved cables and I am not happy.

Too many unused cables blocking my view, my hands when I do some work inside the PC, airflow...

Plus I think if you only have plugged in the cables you actually use, won't there be more efficient current distribution?

you have PSU wires running across your monitor?

I don't care if there is a cable mess inside a case, as long as the CPU/GPU/HDD area is well kept clear and air can flow, then everything is a-okay.

I don't see the point in having a "clean inside" of your case, unless you don't have a monitor and end up staring at the inside of your PC all the time :^D

Very nice review, but capacitances store charges, and voltage, not current, self-inductions store current.

lil detail. :D

Correct statement; high voltage too :)

For the price PCPC charges, I would want those plug in cables that allow to leave away unused cables.

Lo i wouldn't worry about the cable now ......you can always mod it your self LO

but i would like every caps in side 850W is all japanese Rubycon/NCC/Sanyo OS-CON:ws:

if is Teapo......i wouldn't be too happy :(

cause Teapo don't last:puke:

Actually I have those nice Corsair RAM dimms with the light indicators, which tell me how much my memory is being used or whether there is no RAM use, in which case I know the system has frozen and is not merely "taking its time".

Plus I jave enough blue led light to see the motherboard clearly and all of my components. It's really cool at night:o

In order to achieve that I had to sweat in order to hide all of the unused cables. See I am a minimalist when it comes to my PCs entrails. Only one optical drive, one HDD and the video card, that's all there is inside. (Excellent airflow)

You can imagine how many unused cables I have.:(

1) Components can hold +/- 3% is the key; Japanese or not; + 5-year warranty. Country of Origin has become a non-issue for over a decade.

2) Try starring at a case with only the motherboard and nothing else but blue lights = your peace of mind :)

Very likely.:D

And because I don't think I will have the money to buy all the nice components I need, i think I won't bothe buying a case at all. :^D

That should help with the cable and my view. I'll just lay it all on the table, which will also save me worrying about airflow too:D

Already forgot the infamous japanese-capacitor problem?

i remember seeing a review where they took out the RAMs LED system and it was found out it's just a random pattern created to give the illusion it works, but in fact, there's no connection between the LEDs and any of the RAMs pathways :D

I'm glad it's a correct statement, I'm studying electronics :^D

updated in the article, thanks for the rectification

I had them; and they were not random I can assure you:)

A mere $500 delivered to your door is certainly not something for the regular Joe, even if they use all Japanese caps, modular cables; 0 dBA.

That is, make all your like or dislike you want as long as you are willing to part with $500, I am sure PC Cooling & Power will make a customer unit for you.

Very interesting study; you can substitue gear-reduction, center differential, planetary gear, friction etc into the functions in electronical terms; rectifier, resistor, choke, capacitor, diode etc etc..... I have an EE in the immediate family :)

Hope you like RF communication; may be I could re-start my Ham Radio and do some CQ with you. :)

Sierra India Delta

OK, I trust your statement. :ws:

First, need to clean up my room :^D Then put back my computer in business (need some springs to avoid kinking of my 12/19mm Tygon :puke: ). Afterwards, I might think of building me a lil radio, will be fun, and will fill in my holiday time :D

Will be nice to talk with a foreign shrimp :D

Even though I'll have to learn much about radios. :-/ And we need approvals to use those radios (dunno how legislation in the US state about the matter).

Concerning your relations between mechanics and electronics: here, at school, we often compare electronics to hydraulics :D

PS: you're surrounded by geeks I see :^D (Madshrimps, family...)

and where can you get these PSU's in Belgium.
Would I get one of there, or a lesser one for my server (P4 northie, but 12 or more hard drives, now running on 2 PSU's (400 and 300, the 400 alone did't do it)

if you can't find PC P&C in Belgium, you could go for Zippy's higher end
http://www.mpl.be/products.aspx?id=23&sid=106

I'm gonna try and contact someone in the Netherlands, he might be able to provide us with P&C products... Might even consider a grouped order if people are interested.

Will contact the guy tomorrow.

Hi all,
Sorry about the late reply. Thankyou for the clarification on Current vs voltage insofar as "storage" and the role of capacitors. Current does, however; flow through a capacitor as is explained in this most simple analogy. Technically Capacitors store Farads and have seevral uses, besides storage they are also used as "iinsulators". In the PCPower article where I was discussing the "pre-FET stage" of capacitance, these large caps are used primarily as a filtration method for reducing oscilation not for storage in the traditional sense. For example the DC cap's spec'd at the out stage are much "smaller" due to their rate of discharge and are used in a more traditional role as storage and to filter remaining AC. In the AC stage current isn't so much stored as it is conditioned via capacitors.

Modular Cabling is problematic do to resistence and a substantial loss which occurs at the plugs. The degradation on current has been compared to addiding two additional feet of cable. The junctions where the modular cables "plug-in" are susceptable to pins loosening, oxidation at the terminal, etc. This is what PCPower&Cooling says about Modular cables and why they do not use them;
Section 2.) Myths Explained at PCPower
DON'T LOSE POWER WITH MODULAR PLUGS
Due to their look, convenience, and cost savings for manufacturers, modular plugs have become a popular power supply feature. Unfortunately, there has been little or no discussion of the impact of this feature on overall performance and reliability. The fact is, modular plugs limit power by adding to electrical resistance. The voltage drop can be as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire. Worse yet, modular plugs utilize delicate pins that can easily loosen, corrode, and burn, creating the potential for a major system failure. That's why pros specify uninterrupted wire!

Regarding capacitors, its dangerous to make blanket statements about a geographic origin producing inferior products. Japanese Caps are and can be constructed as well as any other brand. The result of those inferior capacitors that sweeped the industry some time ago actually eranerd a name; Capacitor plague. I don't belaive one Japanses Cap maker supplied those.
Companies I consider to be the very best maker's of Capacitors (and resistors) would be;
1.)Vishay
2.) WIMA
3.) RubyCon
4.) Vicor
5.) Rel Multicap

Probably Rel, Rubycon, or Wima being the best. These are often used in Audiophile applications which says alot about the quality of these Caps.

Recently Tayeh Caps made in Taiwan were exhibiting a phenomenon called capacitor "buldge," which can eventually result in leakage;


Also Choyo caps had some problems;


The following List of Capacitors are known to have suffered from
Capacitor Plague
Tayeh (A brand that does not appear to exist, indicating the actual manufacturers were wary of putting their name on their product)
Chhsi
Teapo (Teapo has denied these claims, and evidence suggests their new capacitors are sound, however their older ones appear to suffer from the same problems other brands do)
I.Q.
Rulycon (A clone of "Rubycon", a well-known manufacturer of high-quality capacitors, right down to the exact style of the cases and the fonts used for lettering)
JPCON
Jackcon (The only capacitor manufacturer to own up to their mistake; they are also the only one to issue free replacement capacitors to people who had theirs fail. Their new products appear to be of greater quality.)
JDEC
CTC
(G) Luxon (also G-Luxon)
Gloria
Raycon
Hermei
Choyo
GSC
Nrsy
There's a site devoted to this topic
http://www.badcaps.net/
with complete lists, however; what's important to remember is most of these caps which usually copy names such as "Rulycon" trying to copy or sound like Rubycon, will never make it to quality mobo makers stocks. And if there were one company I certainly wouldn't ever worry about it be PCPower&Cooling.

The Capacitor below is one of approximately 5 found in (of this spefic type the PSU has many more) the PCPower&Cooling TurboCool 850 SSI

Well Liquid3D pleasure, you give a whole new meaning to the world "thorough".

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/enc.../capacitor.htm

Even used as Capacitor filter; it does not store current.:)

Current storage is normally called battery.