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jmke 1st April 2009 20:19

OCZ Vertex Real-World Test Caught on Tape: SSD vs HDD
 
While all those benchmark charts displaying 200+mb/s read and 150+mb/s write are impressive to see, it's also good to actually have some idea of what that extra performance brings you in real life. We prepared two identical laptops with Windows 7 and Windows XP, one had a conventional HDD, the other a brand new OCZ Vertex SSD. The result is worth checking out.

http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=923

jort 1st April 2009 22:52

wow what a difference :O :O
Next laptop is with SSD for sure !!! pity i can't swap the hdd :(

jmke 1st April 2009 23:02

put it in your desktop, works just as well FYI :D

jort 1st April 2009 23:25

The problem is that i don't have a desktop anymore :D atleast for 2.5 years...

I checked google and it seems there might be a chance it would go :D
need to check it out in the future because i hate startup time when i am talking with a custumor.

grtz

blind_ripper 2nd April 2009 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by jort (Post 234681)
The problem is that i don't have a desktop anymore :D atleast for 2.5 years...

I checked google and it seems there might be a chance it would go :D
need to check it out in the future because i hate startup time when i am talking with a custumor.

grtz

ask massman how to swamp a HD from a laptop :naughty:.

the SSD is really something for in future, price/performance i dont know.
The Eee PC from a friend i had here some time ago, had 4GB flash HD did about the same like that SSD.

jmke 2nd April 2009 09:55

EEE PC has low end CPU; stick SSD in a higher end system to get the most from it ;)

blind_ripper 2nd April 2009 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 234686)
EEE PC has low end CPU; stick SSD in a higher end system to get the most from it ;)

yeah i know john, but u could see how it came to end with low-end cpu.

jmke 2nd April 2009 10:05

those SSDs in netbooks are low end, SD cards with build-in converter to SATA, they have very low I/O , nowhere near the performance level of these OCZ Vertex drives ;)

blind_ripper 2nd April 2009 10:08

i see, though its nice that u tested it :D.
would work well for PC mark huh.

jmke 2nd April 2009 10:11

I'd say yes;)
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=836355

blind_ripper 2nd April 2009 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 234694)

pure ownage by SSD power :D.

jmke 22nd April 2009 20:59

OCZ Vertex limited by chipset in Acer 9420 Laptop, still very speedy :)


jmke 22nd April 2009 21:43

good enough for 50+mb/s in XP startup for PCmark05 benchie :)
http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=845364

blind_ripper 22nd April 2009 21:44

lol looks like il be needing a SSD soon to bench PC05 :).

Massman 23rd April 2009 10:44

No, SSD is being kicked in the nuts by Ramdisks. At least, in PCMark05

jmke 23rd April 2009 11:15

you obviously have not seen 4xSSD Vertex on a PCIe raid controller ;)
1000mb/s read speed !

Massman 23rd April 2009 11:29

With MFT ... which is not allowed on hwbot :)

jmke 23rd April 2009 12:41

that's without MFT Massman :)
with MFT you can reach those speeds with a single oldie SSD

thorgal 24th April 2009 08:35

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Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236231)
you obviously have not seen 4xSSD Vertex on a PCIe raid controller ;)
1000mb/s read speed !

4 of my core v2 get about 700Mb/s on my pcie raid controller, but still perform like sh*t in PC05.

jmke 24th April 2009 09:06

that's because Solid/Core v1/v2 series is nowhere near performance levels of Vertex;)

thorgal 24th April 2009 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236294)
that's because Solid series is nowhere near performance levels of Vertex;)

Sorry John, I think you're mistaken there. On a raid card solid series performs almost like core, cache is integrated in raid card, on-disk cache makes zero difference. Only difference is the theoretical 20-30mb/s for peak bandwidth (they're rated 200 vs 170 or something).

Edit it's 230 vs 170, sorry 'bout that, but still these are theory numbers. I can get my 4x170 no prob when benching with the raid card, but in PCM05 I get about 80 :-/ To be clear I have a core V2, not a solid.

jmke 24th April 2009 10:02

core, solid, all the same JMicron which fails at 4k random write; PCMark05 XP startup IS random read/write; Indilinx controller with latest OCZ firmware on the Vertex is massively better than JMicron SSDs;

Quote:

Sorry John, I think you're mistaken there.
got any data to back up your claim? theoretical bandwidth means nothing, PCMark05 HDD is all about random mixed read/write IO; raw sequential speeds tell us nothing ;) hence the specs don't matter;

RAW data, random 4k write:
- X25-M 23mb/s
- Vertex 6.47mb/s
- JMicron Core/Solid V1/V2: 0.02mb/s

Vertex is 323x times faster than Core/Solid SSD, Intel X25-M is 1150x times faster

Quote:

but in PCM05 I get about 80
that's because XP startup is a random read/write 4k benchmark, where JMicron drives suck compared to Vertex/Intel

Quote:

I can get my 4x170 no prob when benching with the raid card, but in PCM05 I get about 80
SINGLE vertex PCM05: 78mb/s http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=836355
imagine 4 of them in RAID 0 ;)

blind_ripper 24th April 2009 10:09

so u say that intel's one is best for the benching part ?
http://www.alternate.be/html/product...wTechData=true
this one for one?

jmke 24th April 2009 10:11

X25-E is faster still;) SLC vs MLC;
but are we looking at price or not?

fastest is Software RAM DISK if you must now; but impossible at this time to load OS on there... maybe in the future:)
6000mb/s read speeds:D

blind_ripper 24th April 2009 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236298)
X25-E is faster still;) SLC vs MLC;
but are we looking at price or not?

yes and then the vertex wins by miles :D.

thorgal 24th April 2009 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236296)
core, solid, all the same JMicron which fails at 4k random write; PCMark05 XP startup IS random read/write; Indilinx controller with latest OCZ firmware on the Vertex is massively better than JMicron SSDs;



got any data to back up your claim? theoretical bandwidth means nothing, PCMark05 HDD is all about random mixed read/write IO; raw sequential speeds tell us nothing ;) hence the specs don't matter;

RAW data, random 4k write:
- X25-M 23mb/s
- Vertex 6.47mb/s
- JMicron Core/Solid V1/V2: 0.02mb/s

Vertex is 323x times faster than Core/Solid SSD, Intel X25-M is 1150x times faster



that's because XP startup is a random read/write 4k benchmark, where JMicron drives suck compared to Vertex/Intel



SINGLE vertex PCM05: 78mb/s http://hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=836355
imagine 4 of them in RAID 0 ;)

These numbers mean nothing when you don't test with a raid card. Everyone knows that jmicron is a culprit when used standalone. There have been ZERO reports of stuttering when the solid/core drives are used with a hardware raid controller WITH CACHE.

jmke 24th April 2009 10:37

please quote me where I talk about stuttering?
single vertex reaches 80~100mb/s in XP startup test
two in raid double of that, 4x of them in RAID without MFT who knows;)
cache can only help so much...

anyway, for benching, to answer Blind's answer: most affordable and fastest is ACARD (€350) with 4~8gb DDR2 (€80~120). Buying a RAID card (€350) and 3~4x 30gb Vertex will be more expensive, not necessarily faster.

thorgal 24th April 2009 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236302)
please quote me where I talk about stuttering?
single vertex reaches 80~100mb/s in XP startup test
two in raid double of that, 4x of them in RAID without MFT who knows;)
cache can only help so much...

I don't dispute this, but have you already forgotten about Massman's troubles with single/double Core V2's in PC05 ? There wasn't any scaling at all... this has nothing to do with 4k random read/write, but is a SSD scaling problem in PC05.

Massman 24th April 2009 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 236302)
two in raid double of that

Raid0 doesn't give you doubled performance:


jmke 24th April 2009 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by thorgal (Post 236304)
I don't dispute this, but have you already forgotten about Massman's troubles with single/double Core V2's in PC05 ? There wasn't any scaling at all... this has nothing to do with 4k random read/write, but is a SSD scaling problem in PC05.

he didn't use a dedicated PCIe card;)

fhenus 7th May 2011 12:20

I work on a big project and we have been using SSD's for some months now and we noticed a LOT of improvement.

Here is a post with some real usage stats: codemadesimple.wordpress.com


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