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kr15t0f 12th January 2006 07:55

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Originally posted by lazyman

Many argue bear bearing will last longer than sleeve; yes, depends on the apps.


Maybe this has nothing to do with computerfans, but my inline-skates also got sleeve bearings, and I use them for allmost 2 years now without 1 maintenance, so don't underestimate the quality of sleeve bearings.

jmke 12th January 2006 08:13

Quote:

Originally posted by Gothrek
hum, guys its a 13cm fan, not a 120mm

uses 120mm mounting points:)

Rutar 12th January 2006 15:02

Quote:

Originally posted by lazyman
[b]Sleeve bearing always run quieter than ball bearing due to lesser contact area. Ball bearings are chosen for high load apps (PSI), similar to Alternators in car where the tension of the driving belt exert force on the bearing; ball bearing is used. While the back of the alternator where no tension is exerted, sleeve bearing is used. Unfortunately, not many PC users have mechanical aptitude and sold by manufacturers.

Many argue bear bearing will last longer than sleeve; yes, depends on the apps.
There are also material differences.

AC first used cermamic and now switched to the fluid bearings which has been Papsts standard tech for a long time, called sintec bearing. Noiseblocker has/had Ceramic bearings in the SX1 (now Coolink), but it seems that the Papst is slightly better noise/performance wise so it's possible ceramic has reached a dead end before even getting popular.

pinky3 16th January 2006 19:55

better comparison
 
From the charts it's difficult to compare the fans.

Higher speed, more cfm and more noise,
lower speed, less cfm, less noise

How to see if a fan is 'better'?
Like same noise but higher cfm?

--> plug the fan to a voltage regulator,
set at a fixed distance in the air blowing direction
of the fan a soundmeter, and regulate the voltage
so that the noise is 20db (for example)

now you only have to compare for each fan,
which fan blows harder.
--> cfm meter? i know there exist like 3spoons on
a rotator to measure the speed of the air for wheaterforecast.
but if it is just for comparison and absolute measure units
don't mather, you can hang up a piece of paper and measure
the angle the blowing fan can tilt it.

repeat this process for different sound levels,
because the wings of the fan can be designed
for slow speed and perform bad at high speed.

Rutar 16th January 2006 20:14

yes, but it's relevant what the user can really use as there are sometimes only fixed voltages

this roundup is a very good help if someone needs a 120mm fan, especially a silent one

kr15t0f 16th January 2006 20:33

sometimes you can measure things with the help of easier to measure things like temperature.

airflow means nothing.
you can have a fan with 50CFM that cools better then a fan with 100CFM, just because it causes the right airflow.

When the object you have to cool is in the blind spot of a fan with 100CFM or it is right in the airflow of a 50CFM fan it will make a difference.

So choosing the right fan depends from the place from more things then max CFM and noise.

For cpu cooling the low CFM fan can be better then the high CFM fan because it has allmost no blind spot. For case cooling a high CFM fan can be better because it needs to get all the hot air out the case and it doesn't matter where it will move that air to.

The best way to know what fan is best for you is to test it in the exact same conditions you want to use it. In this case the roundup tells us what fan to use as a casefan.

kr15t0f 16th January 2006 20:34

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Originally posted by kr15t0f


So choosing the right fan depends from the place from more things then max CFM and noise.

So choosing the right fan depends from more things then max CFM and noise. *

:D

pinky3 17th January 2006 06:39

Every-one knows how to change the voltages to 5V or 7V, instead of the normal 12V. Some motherboard offer something like speedcontroll. So even when you don't have a voltage regulator, a comparison like above (same noise --> ?cfm ) would be helpfull.

I personally think that the desing of the fans are so similar that all blindspot are alike. So a 100cfm fan will allways cool better as a 50cfm fan. Only the comparison telling the 100cmf is twice the performance of the 50cfm fan is maybe technically not good. So effective degrees of cooling are a good realworld measure.

But then the temperature of the environment, temparature of the device that must be cooled and temperature of the heatsink must all be the same when testing the different fans. When you take temperature as a measure, you must callibrate the begin situation.

And even then, you are looking at a fan-heatsink combination:
if the fins of the heatsink are close together, then this will demand a high pressure to force the air throug the heatsink.

--> http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/2...ads/page18.php

See at the performance of the tunic tower 120mm papst fan at lower sound=speed

Like lazyman sayd, we need some technical background.

jmke 17th January 2006 08:22

why measering airflow at same RPM sounds like fun; it's not pratical to do. I'm using the exact same hardware, only swapping the case fan, this provides info on how much air at what voltage each fan moves (lower CPU temp = more airflow).

easy to check, easy to verify.

Rutar 17th January 2006 10:37

the blind spo t has become less relevant with the mass usage of heatpipes

pinky3 18th January 2006 06:58

Hey jmke, great review, but some reviews of heatsinks only mention this heatsink could hold my cpu at x degrees while the other keeps it at x+5degrees, so the first is better. Some other factors are also important for temperature, and thats the roomtemperature, and you should measure it and callibrate your findings to it. Or atleast say, that you measured it and it was the same. Obvious when your roomtemperature was 6degrees higher for the second heatsink, this second is the one that performs best. This temperature difference could appear when you conduct a series of experiments, and your hardware is still hot from the previous stress test.
Anyway, mentioning the environment-references makes it possible to compare reviews from different reviewers, or even from the same reviewer but at different times.

reference:
http://www.hartware.de/review_530_8.html


the heatsink used can also favor or disfavor a fan:
--> http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/...rads/page18.php
See at the performance of the tunic tower 120mm papst fan at lower sound=speed

jmke 18th January 2006 08:15

I always mentioned room temp.... ?

pinky3 18th January 2006 14:54

reread and found it :-), i first only looked at the charts for interpreting, but room temp was at beginning of test setup.

once again great review

jmke 18th January 2006 15:10

I also mentioned room temp in the charts right under the title:)

hasselhof 27th January 2006 03:50

Very good review.

I have had good experience with a couple of fans that I can recomend for a review.

Aero cool turbine fan (1000/2000/3000) all the same exept for color.

and the new 140 mm aero cool Streamliner fan.

I have both pabst 4412 f2gl and Acusti fan dustproof fans, so I have compared the aero cool fans against the known best. The aero cool fans are not at the quality feel level of the two others and they have leds, so I was very skeptical to begin with. But their turbine blade profile with 16 blades intriqued me. The streamliner 140mm fan is the only one of its size on the marked, id dosent have the same turbine blade, but the specs looked interesting so I picked it up with the other ones.

In free air the turbine fan dident move more air than the pabst or the acusti fan at the same noise level, but when I put it in a restrictive case it began to stand out alot. It seems to be able to push air under greater pressure than the two others at a much lower noise level.

The 140mm streamliner is also very quiet, havent testet is so much yet, it has a big blind spot in the center and expel air outwards to the sides..so I think it will do best as a rear fan blowing out.

would be very interested in a comparative indept test of these two fans.

Thanks for a great site

jmke 27th January 2006 08:31

aerocool turbine fan is on my next to do list, I'm waiting for new stock to arrive from taiwan :)

IncredibleHerb 27th January 2006 09:19

Nice review,

but little question about "where to buy".
When I look at Acoustifan its impossible to get a fan in Belgium without importing it and paying more than 35€ for a single fan.

Does anyone knows a store with reasonable prices for Acoustifan like the one used in the review. Preferable in Belgium.

jmke 27th January 2006 09:33

I would email them directly and ask for resellers close to your location; also encourage them to find local distributors to work with:)

Rutar 27th January 2006 11:19

Why not go with a Papst GLL or Coolink?

They produce almost the same results at 12V like the AF at 7.5 so it's noise/performance is about the same, especially when you consider that there is always a small margin of error.

Even better and much cheaper (MRSP) when used as an exhaust at 7.5 is the Arctic Cooling one but I haven't found any yet despite I expect the demand for good and cheap 120mm fans to be very high.

IncredibleHerb 27th January 2006 11:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Rutar
Why not go with a Papst GLL or Coolink?

They produce almost the same results at 12V like the AF at 7.5

You answer your own question with that.
AF is just at 7.5V where Papst is at its limit at 12V.
With AF its possible to cool just a little more.

Rutar 27th January 2006 15:11

well, look for the FGL model


same fan as the GLL, but faster :)

kr15t0f 31st January 2006 19:38

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Originally posted by kr15t0f
would be great to silence my enermax casefans :o


where can I buy them :^D

bought them, never tought the result would be so amazing :o , I cant hear my enermax fans at lowest speed now. Before they made a irritating noise at lowest speed and I was planning to make an on/off switch for them :ws:

jmke 31st January 2006 19:54

what exactly did you buy? :)

kr15t0f 31st January 2006 21:00

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
what exactly did you buy? :)
http://www.perfect-systems.be/info.asp?Info=33884

jmke 31st January 2006 21:29

so you bought fan mountings, thanks ;)
could not get that info from your posts:)


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