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The Senile Doctor 3rd April 2003 14:55

you mean there was a pro reviewing it?
who was it?

;)

nrc42o 22nd April 2003 11:02

DON"T BUY THIS. i wasted 35 dollars water-x on this plus the price of a new video card when the side valve blow "you can see it in the picture" and spilled water all over my viedo card.

TeuS 22nd April 2003 11:40

but->buy

real sorry to hear that. you might e-mail the producers about that and ask for a refund

real.genius 26th April 2003 07:48

re; Water-x cpu cooler vs thermalright800u
 
After extensive consultation with thermalright they recommended the use of there new slk800u for my asus a7v8x mother board. This is really a update to the water-x data for comparison to the slk800u thermalright massive copper heat sink versus the easy clip on water -x unit. You have to pull the entire computer apart to mount the slk800u heat sink since it needs extensive mechanical support due to its amazing weight. I am running a athlon 2100xp chip, one of amds hottest chips, and have tested various heat sinks and ddr400, 8xagp card with real world conditions. Using a warmed up system at 100% cpu load the following data can be viewed for comparison;

Water-x cpu cooler with 84 cfm tornado fan added
63c cpu/ 38c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
59c cpu/ 37c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

slk800u with a 84 cfm tornado fan added
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
46c cpu/ 33c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

So at 100% load the slk800u did yield a lower temp at the 28c air temp. Interestingly enough the slk800u warms up slowly but stays hot a lot longer then the cool down of the water-x unit. And the water-x unit typically drops 4 degrees in temp when moving to a 2% load the slk800u drops only 1 degree when dropping to a 2% load. So although the thermal right runs cooler it does not respond quickly to changing thermal load variations. The water-x unit runs higher in temps but does respond quickly to changing cpu loading variations. If you have ever monitered your cpu loading during running typical programs you can see that the cpu load varies greatly and quickly during most computer tasks. So there you have it, the water-x versus the slk800u real data, real computer tasks, by a real.genius. The cost of both cpu coolers is very similar. Email me if you have any questions about this actual data. real.genius@verizon.net

jmke 26th April 2003 11:58

SLK800 has a clip on system and doesn't leak fluid on your motherboard and hose your whole system..

DUR0N 26th April 2003 13:59

Re: re; Water-x cpu cooler vs thermalright800u
 
After extensive consultation with thermalright they recommended the use of there new slk800u for my asus a7v8x mother board.
This is really a update to the water-x data for comparison to the slk800u thermalright massive copper heat sink versus the easy clip on water -x unit. You have to pull the entire computer apart to mount the slk800u heat sink since it needs extensive mechanical support due to its amazing weight. I am running a athlon 2100xp chip, one of amds hottest chips,
peeeut... amd tunderbird series were the hottest, after those come the duron spitifires
and have tested various heat sinks and ddr400, 8xagp card with real world conditions. Using a warmed up system at 100% cpu load the following data can be viewed for comparison;

Water-x cpu cooler with 84 cfm tornado fan added
63c cpu/ 38c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
59c cpu/ 37c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

slk800u with a 84 cfm tornado fan added
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
46c cpu/ 33c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

So at 100% load the slk800u did yield a lower temp at the 28c air temp. Interestingly enough the slk800u warms up slowly but stays hot a lot longer then the cool down of the water-x unit.
your point being?
And the water-x unit typically drops 4 degrees in temp when moving to a 2% load the slk800u drops only 1 degree when dropping to a 2% load. So although the thermal right runs cooler it does not respond quickly to changing thermal load variations.
who cares?
The water-x unit runs higher in temps but does respond quickly to changing cpu loading variations. If you have ever monitered your cpu loading during running typical programs you can see that the cpu load varies greatly and quickly during most computer tasks. So there you have it, the water-x versus the slk800u real data, real computer tasks, by a real.genius. The cost of both cpu coolers is very similar.
no it is not, the water-x cooler cost twice as much
Email me if you have any questions about this actual data. real.genius@verizon.net

real.genius 26th April 2003 16:30

re;water-x & slk800u
 
In response to your comments, the slk800u has a massive plate to mount to the mother board unlike the slk800 but both exceed the weight limits of cpu coolers rec by amd. The xp2100 and xp2200 are the hottest running chips amd has made go check www.amd.com for manufacturing data. the cost of both coolers is almost identical. the water-x was $60us ship $8.00 total $68.00 us while the slk800u is $39.00 plus $10.00 shipping for $49.00 us with its fan at $17.00 plus $7.00 shipping for a total of $73.00 us dollars so the slk800u with fan is more expensive. the slk800 will not fit most motherboards due to its extreme size thats why thermalright brought out the slk800u to sell more heat sinks since they had such a limited application. The water-x is extemely easy to install and remove while the slk800u is probably too complex and hard of a task for the typical end user. The slk800u install directions were vague and hard to follow with no description of what or how to use the fan holddown wires. My slk800u came with two of the back plate holes stripped out and needed immediate factory service and replacement. The slk800u since it takes so many mounting parts and so much extreme time to install would not be my choice of cpu coolers since I like to test other cpus and cpu coolers the slk800u is just too time consuming to use. If you never buy a new cpu chip than the one time install of a slk800u is probably worth it but like most air coolers it has its limits of performance. I did also notice that the slk800u does cause a drop in my fan rpm due to air flow resistance of the heat sink itself. But at $68.00 us for the water-x and $73.00 us dollars for the thermalright slk800u I consider the price quite similar. There are many cpu coolers on the market that give similar air cooling temps as the slk800u and most are cheaper and do not require through the mother board complex and time consuming mounting processes. Most clip on neatly and quickly.

jmke 26th April 2003 16:54

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The slk800u install directions were vague and hard to follow with no description of what or how to use the fan holddown wires.
at least there ARE instructions, and they aren't that hard at all, I installed the SLK900U without problems using the instructions

the water-x has NO instructions, leaks, performs worse, has a loud fan and costs more.

the slk800 not U is a clip on that fits almost ALL motherboards.

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There are many cpu coolers on the market that give similar air cooling temps as the slk800u and most are cheaper and do not require through the mother board complex and time consuming mounting processes. Most clip on neatly and quickly
Similar: yes, but not better, always worse
SLK800 clips on. You chose wrong when ordering the U version..

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The xp2100 and xp2200 are the hottest running chips amd has made go check www.amd.com for manufacturing data
WRONG
you should check it out yourself, jeezus man

Athlon
1300 68.3 W
1333 69.8 W
1400 72.1 W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/23792.pdf

vs

AXP Tbred
1733 (2100+) 62.1 W
1800 (2200+) 67.9 W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/25175.pdf

AXP Palomino
2100+ 1733 72.0W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/24309.pdf



you are real.stupid to try and prove something and end up making an ... of yourself.

Stop trying to sell this sucky water-x product and admit your loss.

real.genius 27th April 2003 09:24

re;water-x versus slk800u
 
According to the thermalright representatives and the thermalright internet site the only choice for the asus a7v8x mother board is the slk800u and is the only product they recommend and assure me that will work on my asus motherboard. I can send you the thermalright email response if you are not able to find their web site.

Actually in this forum, I have compared the water-x to 4 other cpu coolers finally comparing it to a thermalright cpu cooler to see if I could obtain that reported 30 c cpu temperatures if I would use a thermalright cooler. The 30c cpu temps were not reproducible in any tests I conducted. Perhaps I misunderstood earlier claims.

And by the way, thermalright does not supply any installation directions with the products they ship, you have to get them from their web site and print them on your own equipment another expense. Water-x sent notes and alot of pictures with their unit even someone as stupid as me can understand pictures.

Stupid could be defined as someone who blindly adheres to technology which clearly underperforms at great expense. The data suggests that the high priced thermalright, water-x and taisol heat pipes dont really outperform the spire 3000 and dr. thermals which have similar performance and in some cases better than the higherpriced cpu coolers. And although thermal right makes big claims for there cpu cooler the data clearly demonstrates that real world performance lags far behind advertising and reported claims by others especially at higher room temperatures.

It looks like the only way you will get 30 c cpu temps with the slk800u is by refrigerating it or running the system in a freezer.

What it really comes down to is HOT AIR...if you produce a lot of hot air then the more hot air you produce will cause higher temperatures of your thermalright or any other air cooler. I guess thats the same as hot air in, equals hotter air out. If the incoming air gets hot enough your air cpu cooler will destroy your cpu.

Suming up, thermalrights slk800u if a very high priced cpu cooler which performs very well in moderate room tempertures whose performance at higher room temperatures is no better than any other air cooler, so my data demonstrates.

Further tests I have conducted actually yielded some surprising cooling results but they are top secret and will certainly be availiable in the near future on upcoming cpu cooler designs after I publish and release the data.

NASA has developed and is testing a new carbon cooling system which if it pans out in field (real world) tests should be availiable on most home planets soon for real cpu cooling.

72.1 watts to 72 watts is not a signifcant watt change, both are high watt outputs.

And who cares about the cpu temp drop down data from 100% load to 2% load, you should, it is an indication that the heat sink is actually cooling instead of just a massive piece of heat resivour. Some of the heatsinks I tested actually drop 7c very quickly indicating very high cooling efficency which can save and extend the life of any cpu. There is really no reason to raise the cpu temps during 100% load and not to restore them to the starting 2% begining test temperature.

Once a heat source is removed the cpu cooler temperature should return to lower levels the quicker the better it is for the cpu we dont need another way to heat up the cpu, it produces its own heat which the slk800u or whatever heat sink you are using is suppose to dissapate the heat not hold on to it.

So a heat sinks response to a changing cpu load is a very important measurement of heat sink cooling capabilitlies.

Well I think I have replied to all of the recent comments.

Really, its only necessary to present data and let the readers provide there own conclusions based on the data and information they are supplied with.

We really dont need to see repeated advertising hype from your favorite manufacturers we can all read there advertisement and product claims on there respective web sites.

I just provided comparative test data and information on water-x versus slk800u and as far as I know, I am the only person to provide this data on the internet.

I actually ran real world comparative tests on both units with a standard data baseline. I really did not make any conclusions just provided test data so I really dont feel personal attacks are waranted and certainly not well recieved.

And calling me stupid and a water-x reprensentative is just ridiculous.

Its just test data and observations on what goole.com calls a water-x forum.

I repeat, its just test data and observations draw your own conclusions based on the data not your alliances ,affiliations or psychic impressions.

Well I mounted a tornado fan on a slk800u and did not get less <30c cpu temp as a previous opinion stated. I got the following;

a 2100xp at 100% cpu load
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp

After months of test my slk800u typically runs as follows

2% cpu load idle
46c cpu/ 34c mb/ 28c air temp

As the air temperature goes up all air coolers run about the same regardless of price or brand.
Hot air is ....HOT AIR

jmke 30th April 2003 17:44

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
ps: your text is hard to read through, use some breaks/enters in them
read the article if you have doubts on how I got 30C load temps.
the rest I will read when your text becomes readable... maybe

edit: update after your text adjustements thanks for that!

Well I do know the CPU output of the XP2100+ is almost equal to the AMD1400. But that's beside the point. you stated that it was the hottest and when one of our forum regulars corrected that you snapped back at him :/

What really started me up is the fact that no matter what evidence is provided, you find a way to turn around the words and play them out to make the water-x look good.

Honestly, if you want to compare apples with apples.. you should do so, instead of taking up the SLK800. AMD provides a nice standard heatsink with its boxed CPU (which most novice PC users will buy) and this heatsink will keep your CPU below the 60C mark , in a closed case. Your CPU wont crash and your system runs silent (the fan is low profile: http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20...d_2700_top.jpg and produces a good sound/performance ratio). this heatsink comes free with the CPU and performs on par with the water-x.

The water-x is flawed in several ways, the pump is placed right above the waterblock, creating friction and heating the place up :/, the waterflow is slow, there is not alot of water in there, the water passes through tubes through the small radiator, the fins on the radiator hardly do anything substantial.

they could have improved the whole system ALOT if they opted to include a PCI card which stores the pump and radiator/fan. That way the cpublock would be supplied by cool water. Check out Corsair micro latest release, they are aiming at this idea.

I'm testing the Aero7 now from Coolermaster, a silent okay solution for your XP setup, but these coolers (and the SLK800) are aimed at people who try to squeeze the most out of their PC. Performance over sound/easy of use. Its like the intel standard cooler, no need to change it unless you plan on overclocking your system!

I would like to thank you for the time you took to test the different things out with the water-x, the important thing is, that the customer is happy, you are happy with your product, so that's all that matters! We however are not the average bunch of PC users, and we dont target them either.

If you plan on overclocking your CPU you have to choose the SLK800, because the water-x can't handle the extra wattage :/

anywayz have fun with your water-x, lets hope they improve it soon, cause the idea itself has potentional, but it has to be designed "just right" ;)

DUR0N 30th April 2003 22:37

Re: re;water-x versus slk800u
 
Originally posted by real.genius
Quote:

According to the thermalright representatives and the thermalright internet site the only choice for the asus a7v8x mother board is the slk800u and is the only product they recommend and assure me that will work on my asus motherboard. I can send you the thermalright email response if you are not able to find their web site.
they should fire him. we know the slk800u doesn't fit to good on an asus a7n8x, and their website mentions it i think.

Quote:

Actually in this forum, I have compared the water-x to 4 other cpu coolers finally comparing it to a thermalright cpu cooler to see if I could obtain that reported 30 c cpu temperatures if I would use a thermalright cooler. The 30c cpu temps were not reproducible in any tests I conducted. Perhaps I misunderstood earlier claims.
i, for myself, don't work with cases, to much hassle, so my 'casetemp' is 21C right now. Most people here do use a case, but the VENTILATE it, so their casetemp comes in reach of the roomtemp (no biggie)

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And by the way, thermalright does not supply any installation directions with the products they ship, you have to get them from their web site and print them on your own equipment another expense. Water-x sent notes and alot of pictures with their unit even someone as stupid as me can understand pictures.
The slk 800 uses a clip mechanism (same mechanism as standard AMD coolers (boxed/coolermaster/whatever) if someone can't istall one of those without breaking something, he should get another hobby/job.

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Stupid could be defined as someone who blindly adheres to technology which clearly underperforms at great expense.
stupid = IQ<85 i believe. or was it 80?

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The data suggests that the high priced thermalright, water-x and taisol heat pipes dont really outperform the spire 3000 and dr. thermals which have similar performance and in some cases better than the higherpriced cpu coolers. And although thermal right makes big claims for there cpu cooler the data clearly demonstrates that real world performance lags far behind advertising and reported claims by others especially at higher room temperatures.
anyone who buy a new cpu cooler, and finds himself capable of installing it ( :D) knows that you need to ventilate your case, airflow is important. So if your casetemp is 45C or something like that, you're doing something wrong

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It looks like the only way you will get 30 c cpu temps with the slk800u is by refrigerating it or running the system in a freezer.
Airflow.

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What it really comes down to is HOT AIR...if you produce a lot of hot air then the more hot air you produce will cause higher temperatures of your thermalright or any other air cooler. I guess thats the same as hot air in, equals hotter air out. If the incoming air gets hot enough your air cpu cooler will destroy your cpu.
airflow?

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Suming up, thermalrights slk800u if a very high priced cpu cooler which performs very well in moderate room tempertures whose performance at higher room temperatures is no better than any other air cooler, so my data demonstrates.

Almost all hardware sites who reviewed it said it was the new king of heatsinks, overclockers would love it. And they are right.

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And who cares about the cpu temp drop down data from 100% load to 2% load, you should, it is an indication that the heat sink is actually cooling instead of just a massive piece of heat resivour. Some of the heatsinks I tested actually drop 7c very quickly indicating very high cooling efficency which can save and extend the life of any cpu. There is really no reason to raise the cpu temps during 100% load and not to restore them to the starting 2% begining test temperature.
CPU cool = me happy. Don't care if it absorbs the heat rather than disposing it to the surrounding air. As long as the CPU is cool.

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Really, its only necessary to present data and let the readers provide there own conclusions based on the data and information they are supplied with.
hey, don't believe us, we're just an independant hardware reviewing site. Ow right, its OUR job to show those data, not yours :p

cheers, DUR0N

FreeStyler 1st May 2003 01:10

Hmm, I'm running zalman CNPS 7000 on a XP 1800+ @ 2600+ (12.5 * 166) and it's running exactly 31C now.

That's a low noise cooler. What would happen if I went all the way on this one.

Off course, I have 5 Papst fans installed (7V) to keep casetemps cool. Case now running 21C (and it's quite a bit colder in my room)


suddenly found out why it was so cool, Project X was uploading data, so the cruncher stopped.
....
It's 33 now, woohoo big difference.


anyway, something like the entire world thinks you either
a) suck
b) get paid to say (and most likely do) the most stupid things imaginable.

Now go get some [H]Ware and try again.


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