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real.genius 12th March 2003 23:25

Water-X CPU Water Cooler
 
I purchased a water x-cpu water cooler from 1COOLPC and installed on my amd 2100 athlon. I sometimes have a high room temperature that my computer has to operate in so I wanted some enhanced cooling and the water x looked like it might be a good answer. The water x appears to have been designed very professionally and looks to be built very well compared to other coolers I have tested. At this time I have only limited experience with the water x unit but it runs very quiet and holds temp very well. After only a week and one half of use my water-x had a major malfunction and had to be replaced. A-Pros Eddie Lin and 1COOLPCs Bart Lane came to my rescue in the toughest of situations standing behind the water-x cooler 200%. I was very impressed by the support service for the water-x cooler. In my opinion water-x, A-PRO, and 1COOLPC deserve awards for their customer service. I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x cooler or 1COOLPC or A-Pro. I am sure the replacement water-x unit will be just fine and I know their reps are very reliable and honest.

jmke 12th March 2003 23:37

I've read some reviews, the performance doesn't justify its high price

an XP1700+ with 1.75v was running near to 60C under load!

real.genius 13th March 2003 01:53

Water-X CPU Water Cooler
 
I recently bought a water-x cpu cooler from 1COOLPC.

jASjE 13th March 2003 01:56

and, results pls =)

real.genius 13th March 2003 02:10

And the results are I found the water-x unit very stable and the suppliers of the water-x unit to be extremely helpful.

real.genius 13th March 2003 02:47

Further, the unit ran quietly and managed very stable temperature load configuation. 1 coolpc and A-Pro the suppliers of water-x were extremely customer service intensive. I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x unit to any serious computer user.

jmke 13th March 2003 12:14

Quote:

Originally posted by real.genius
I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x unit to any serious computer user.
it performs worse then a SLK800 (alot worse) and costs more

how would you recommend such device?

real.genius 13th March 2003 17:02

water-x cpu cooler
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jmke


it performs worse then a SLK800 (alot worse) and costs more

how would you recommend such device?

Reply; jmke I have never tested a slk800 but I have tested many other cpu coolers and found the water-x to run a very stable temperature range even under heavy load. It cooled my xp 2100 very fine under extreme temperature conditions. Many times real world conditions provide different results than labratory testing. An AMD 2100 or 2200 chip is the hottest running chip AMD makes running as much as 95c and under these extreme ranges the water-x held a stable and usable temp profile. Any heatsink performs well in a freezer but in real room temperatures the results can vary widely.

TeuS 13th March 2003 17:06

give us your temps, then we'll talk ;)

jmke 13th March 2003 17:08

room temp: 21C
CPU loaded temp: 29C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling :)

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well

piotke 13th March 2003 19:41

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
room temp: 21C
CPU loaded temp: 29C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling :)

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well

extremely loud I may presume ?

h2o setup I've got is almost extremely silent.

Keeps a 1800+ @ 2200 @ 1.87 Vcore @ ~40 stressed, maximum.

DUR0N 13th March 2003 20:29

I think that atm the slk-800 is the best cooling you can get in price/performance terms
and slk's don't have the intention to 'stop working' or something like that :)

real.genius 13th March 2003 23:53

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
room temp: 21C
CPU loaded temp: 29C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling :)

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well

Well like I said, most air coolers work fine at lower temps here is some limited data I have for my water-x cpu cooler at cold start the mb temp is 28c/cputemp 49c as the computer warms up the following temps were recorded for my AMD 2100 athlon mb32c/cpu49c, mb33c/cpu54c, mb34c/cpu55c, mb35c/cpu56c, mb36c/cpu56c, mb37c/cpu57c, mb38c/cpu59c, mb39c/cpu59c, full load tocpu mb40c/cpu61c, mb40c/cpu60c, mb41c/cpu59c, back to idle mb41c/cpu59c, mb41c/cpu59c, mb40c/cpu57c as can be seen by the data my tests begin at much higher background temps than your slc800 air unit. I am sure your slc800 is a fine unit but as you can see the water-x unit does a fine job of protecting the cpu even in higher background temperatures. I have never found that any air cooler has the heat capacity of a water cooler and the price of the water-x for a complete water cooling unit is quite low compared to any others I have seen. It is that large heat capacity that allows a loaded cpu to still run cool. Besides I have gotten such good customer service from the water-x reps who stand behind their product very very very well. That is why I can recommend it. vcore=1.824

jmke 14th March 2003 00:05

your maximum temp

mobo temp: 40C
CPU temp: 57C

now let's increase my room temp to equal your mobo temp

mobo temp: 40C
cpu temp: 48C

now let's deduct the fact that I'm using 1.92v compared to your 1.82v. In general 0.1v difference lowers your temps with 5-10C

so

mobo temp: 40C
CPU temp: 43C


that's a full 14C difference between the 2 quite alot don't you think?
and the fact the SLK800 costs half of the Water-X only increases the fact that I cannot recommend the Water-X to anyone :-)
going over 50C with an Athlon system sets you 1 foot into danger zone.

passing 60C will lead to lock-ups :)
if you plan to overclock you need temps below 45C , otherwise you will be severly limited in the max. OC you can achieve :)


ps: why do I get the strange feeling you are trying to promote this product..

jmke 14th March 2003 00:09

http://207.44.142.144//forums/showth...threadid=10262

Quote:

Pros: Very light weight & easy to install.
Cons: Just doesnt handle the heat.

Vcore ~ 1.75 (max the board will allow)
Multi ~ x12
FSB ~ 145
1.740Mhz

Idle on windows
Case: 35C
CPU: 52C
Idle in windows for 10 minutes
Case: 35
CPU: 54
Again, F@H for 30 minutes (Well the plan was for 30 minutes, got some business I had to deal with that couldnt wait, so instead it sat for nearly 2 hours.)
Case: 36
CPU: 61

real.genius 14th March 2003 01:35

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
your maximum temp

mobo temp: 40C
CPU temp: 57C

now let's increase my room temp to equal your mobo temp

mobo temp: 40C
cpu temp: 48C

now let's deduct the fact that I'm using 1.92v compared to your 1.82v. In general 0.1v difference lowers your temps with 5-10C

so

mobo temp: 40C
CPU temp: 43C


that's a full 14C difference between the 2 quite alot don't you think?
and the fact the SLK800 costs half of the Water-X only increases the fact that I cannot recommend the Water-X to anyone :-)
going over 50C with an Athlon system sets you 1 foot into danger zone.

passing 60C will lead to lock-ups :)
if you plan to overclock you need temps below 45C , otherwise you will be severly limited in the max. OC you can achieve :)


ps: why do I get the strange feeling you are trying to promote this product..

I believe the data speaks for itself, I have no interest in the water-x product or company or distributors other than as a consumer of the product. I have tested many cpu coolers including dr. thermals with tornados on them which outperform slk800s by a massive performance margin as far as I know, but I also know that as the temperatures your operating the cooler in goes up air coolers can not keep up because hot air in equals hotter air out thats physics. The actual heat capacity of water =1 but metal air coolers have less heat capactiy. Because I have occasional high air temperatures to operate in thats why I have been trying cpu coolers beyond just air. I also have been thinking about buying a small refrigerator and mounting the entire computer in it. Most of the heat pipes are actually water coolers also. Vapo chills are very expensive but if you pay $600 for the fastest AMD chip maybe $600 for the cooler is justified? Anyway, I dont think you can just add numbers to your data, I think you would have to increase the air temperature going into your slk800 to get correct actual data out. I have done some over clocking hence I well aware of the dr. thermal with tornado fan. Let me know what you think about the small refrigerator idea.

real.genius 14th March 2003 02:07

real.genius,
so anyway because the water-x cpu cooler is one of the lowest priced water coolers on the market and so compact and has usable stable temperature controll I feel I can recommend it as a high heat capacity low cost water cooler. And what do you think about my idea of putting a computer into one of those low cost frost free mini refrigerators?

jmke 14th March 2003 09:58

did you check the review?
http://207.44.142.144//forums/showth...threadid=10262

the water-x doesn't come close to performance of even a budget watercooling kit. Costs more then high-end aircooling & has worse performance. an SLK800 or SLK900 with a silent fan still beats this Water-X, even with high casetemps :-)


Quote:

I also have been thinking about buying a small refrigerator and mounting the entire computer in it
you will see a drop in "case" temperature and as long as it doesn't go below zero you won't have any problems

place some good fans in the frig to make cold air move around & you are set.
Insulate the outgoing cables pretty good, so no "warm" air can get into the frig!

but you're going to need a pretty strong frig if you want to really make a noticable difference. Since most refrigerators are designed to slowly cool down objects that don't produce heat themselves.

So placing a PC inthere will have the frig.working overtime, make sure it can handle this =)

another solution you can try, is going for watercooling & placing the reservoir & pump in a good refrigerator, thereby cooling the water & providing better temperatures :)

real.genius 14th March 2003 18:40

By tweaking the air flow in my water-x unit I have been able to achieve very stable performance.cpu fan rpm 5800 and pump rpm of 1800 and case fan of 5400 I was able to achieve the following
after hours of real time running
case temp37c/cpu57c
heavy processor loading
case 41c/ cpu 59c
idle temp
case 37c/ cpu 57c
By the way, I checked the prices of slk800 there very expensive and they dont have a fan. I buy most of my cpu coolers with fans, I am not sold on passive cooling performance.

jakkerd 14th March 2003 19:29

Quote:

Originally posted by real.genius
By tweaking the air flow in my water-x unit I have been able to achieve very stable performance.cpu fan rpm 5800 and pump rpm of 1800 and case fan of 5400 I was able to achieve the following
after hours of real time running
case temp37c/cpu57c
heavy processor loading
case 41c/ cpu 59c
idle temp
case 37c/ cpu 57c
By the way, I checked the prices of slk800 there very expensive and they dont have a fan. I buy most of my cpu coolers with fans, I am not sold on passive cooling performance.

i have silent air cooling,
my athlon xp @ 12.5*170 @ 56 under load
and this is silent, as in reallly silent, with a heatsink that performes worse than an slk 800 (pal 8045)

this thing is totally not recommendable

jmke 15th March 2003 00:41

@RGenius: 5800rpm fan? that's loud!

DUR0N 17th March 2003 19:33

we've got one @ colorcase.
time to prove we're right =)

jmke 17th March 2003 19:34

Can I come pick one up thursday? :)

DUR0N 17th March 2003 19:35

sure.
along with the Xdream Rev.2 ? :)

jmke 17th March 2003 19:39

that baby is 4 amd I hope
cause I don't have a spare P4 rig for the moment.

DUR0N 17th March 2003 19:44

yesyes, both 4 amd

jmke 17th March 2003 22:39

:super:
cu thursday!

:ws: thnkx in advance

jmke 22nd March 2003 13:51

the testing can begin :)

Bosw8er 22nd March 2003 13:54

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
the testing can begin :)
Real question is: "Exactly HOW hard will it suck ?" :D

real.genius 23rd March 2003 09:42

water-x h2o cpu cooler modified
 
After going to the 1coolpc web site I modified my water x unit with the addion of a tornado top mounted cooling fan. Thats 84 cfm air flow for those of you not familiar with this vantec product. Also upped the wattage of the case power supply to a 400 watt unit since there were now pumps and fans to turn off of the 12 volt power supply. The data suggest that the water x unit is very stable in performance with the increased cooling fan through put. My standard xp2100 chip was used for all the tests since it is one of the hottest running chips AMD makes. No sissy chip data here. Data as follows for water-x unit;
cold start
58c cpu/37c mb/ air temp 28c
at idle 2% to 10% cpu load and warmed up
60c cpu/38c mb/air temp 28c
100 % load and warmed up continuous 100% load
64c cpu/39c mb/air temp 28c
pump speed 1900 and fan 5100 rpms
Comparisons for an great air unit as follows, spire 3000 with standard supplied fan complete with heatsink compound from spire factory $14.00 us dollars.
cold start
46c cpu/26c mb/ air temp 24c
2% to 10% cpu load
52c cpu/32c mb/ 25c air temp
100% continuous loading
55c cpu/33c mb/25c air temp
Thats right, a xp2100 at 100% load running at 55c cpu now thats performance. So although the data for the modified water-x unit is fairly constant it did not out perform the standard oem fan spire 3000 unit for low temp performance.
SLK-900U performance for my set up, I have a xp2100 chip and a ASUS A7V8X KT400 mother bd with ddr400 mem. capable of running a barton core at 333 bus pretty much state of the art in technology with an 8x agp video card. just a couple of observations on the slk800 and slk900u, both exceed the maximum wt that AMD allows and both may not fit on a ASUS mother bd due to there oversized footprint. I have emailed thermalright directly to see if there slk900u fits on a ASUS A7V8X kt400 mb but they have been silent so far.

jmke 23rd March 2003 12:35

wow 55C with a tornado fan?
You get <30C when you mount such a fan on the SLK800/SLK900

:)

Quote:

Thats right, a xp2100 at 100% load running at 55c cpu now thats performance
excuse me? 55C under load is HIGH & you are deaf after 2 days as a bonus :p

real.genius 23rd March 2003 18:13

water-x h20 and spire 3000
 
Well jmke I guess there must be a language problem, the 55c cpu reading was not obtained with the tornado fan, it was obtained with a stock fan of 30 cfm supplied with the $14.00 spire 3000 heat sink with micro fin 2 technology. I suppose I could modify the spire 3000 but 55c cpu temp at 100% continuous load on a xp 2100 chip is quite respectable.

If you think the slk800 or 900 is so good why dont you try these tests with there $14.00 heat sink and supplied fan. Oh I guess they dont have one for $14.00 and like the spire 3000 slk900s arent rated for xp3400s are they and they are not recommended by AMD. Any why I supplied test data on a mofified water-x unit and a stock spire 3000 air cooler with a xp2100 real world chip that churns out alot of heat even by AMD standards.

If youd supply one of those expensive slk900s to me for testing with real world conditions and real heat produceing chips I would be more than happy to test it for you since you dont seem to be able to give us any test results only smart comments and incorrect replys. So how much is a slk900 and what kind of fan and cfm does it have???? The truth be known, the $14.00 dollar spire with cfm 30 holding a xp2100 at 100% loading at 55c is a price performance leader.

And your the one who said keep it under 60c and the spire 3000 did just that for $14.00 dollars. I am not really impressed by your lack of actual data and performance, do you work for the slk people?

However, just to humor you, I have a xp2100 chip running on a ASUS a7v8x mb with ddr 400 and an 8x agp video card pretty much state of the art capable of running a 333 bus barton core also.
The slk800 and slk900u by thermaright both exceed the max wt recommendations from AMD. I have directly emailed thermalright to find out if a slk900u will fit on a ASUS a7v8x motherbd but they have not responded yet with there list of motherbds that will not work with there heatsink or should I say the list of motherboards that there heatsink will not work with.

By the way, the slk900u costs $50.00 without a fan and with a fan costs more than the water-x unit and a lot more than the spire 3000 which is rated for a xp3400 barton core. According to the thermalright site the slk900u is rated only up to a barton core xp2800 which is well under the rating of the 14.00 spire 3000 which by the way is reccommended by AMD is the slk900u on the AMD cooler list?

jmke 23rd March 2003 21:26

how do you think I test these SLK800/900 heatsinks? that's right.. in the world.. the real world. Read some reviews & you'll see that either Thermalright product outdoes this Water-X , both in price as in performance.

I will the test the Water-X heatsink I have here in a closed case & we'll see how hard it will suck.

Quote:

I am not really impressed by your lack of actual data and performance, do you work for the slk people?
you crank me up man, you're the one promoting this crappy Water-X product, no matter how hard people proof that is sucks :^D

ps: your text is hard to read through, use some
in them (breaks)

Quote:

I would be more than happy to test it for you since you dont seem to be able to give us any test results only smart comments and incorrect replys


if you don't have anything usefull to say.. then don't please. Don't attack me personally, "smart comments".. uhhu;

I base my "smart comments" on real world experiences.
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...120&articID=55

jmke 3rd April 2003 01:14

http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/show...&threadid=1851

Here's my review of this product.. too bad it failed on me :( so I wasn't able to fry my CPU/motherboard like the other reviewers.

DUR0N 3rd April 2003 13:35

bring it to m. i'll do some temp benchies after m

btw. sure it leaks, you have to screw the radaitor on reeeeaaaly tight.

jmke 3rd April 2003 13:37

If I screwed it one more tightly the whole plastic would have cracked... I retried it plenty times, to no success :/

DUR0N 3rd April 2003 13:39

Re: water-x h20 and spire 3000
 
Quote:

Originally posted by real.genius
but 55c cpu temp at 100% continuous load on a xp 2100 chip is quite respectable.

anything above 45 is bad. anything above 50 sucks monkeyballs.

we are the kind of people that would use LN2 if it was legal around here, we use advanced watercooling, peltier setups, prometeia & vapochill units, watercoolings mounted in refrigerators etc.

for normal people: below 65C is just fine. but hey, why won't they stick to their standard boxed AMD cooler. It comes almost for free with the cpu, and performs equally good as your water-X :D

DUR0N 3rd April 2003 13:42

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke
If I screwed it one more tightly the whole plastic would have cracked... I retried it plenty times, to no success :/
hmm, i know it was sealed when i tested it hier (not on a system)
but I uses and electric drill to screw them.

jmke 3rd April 2003 13:43

yea YOU broke the cooler ! bad bad man! ;p

DUR0N 3rd April 2003 14:34

i don't say anything until i've seel my lawyer.
no seriously. i tought it was closed off correctly when i gave it to you. But that doesn't matter. I even a pro gets leaks, the thing is crap.


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