So why are the PCP&C PSU`s always rated the best? Am I missing something?
 

Well am I missing something?

I also am told that Zippy is the ODM of PCP&C.
Any truth to that?

both zippy and pcp&c try to make the best psu's, they don't cut back on any component. They are more expensive but they use quality compontents (resitors with <1% deviation, high fahrad condensors, premium coils etc.)

they are noisy tough and that's not a good thing when Seasonic keeps up in the THG stress test

people who buy these PSU's are generally not interested in noise. They use 120mm Delta's to add some airflow for their RAM. :D

I understand all that so why does the PCP&C PSU`s keep being rated the best?

After all they are noisy aren`t they?

Other PSU`s have a higher efficiency rating don`t they?

I just don`t get it.
Seems like a huge waste of money to buy PCP&C products.
Especially if they are made by another company.

Why are people buying Mercedes?

same reasons =P


Of course, Seasonic has products that are better than the PCP&P ones but they just don't have the brand yet (altough, the Seasonc pimpin has increased a lot ofter the THG test)

I truly am Not trying to flame PC Power &Cooling products.
But I just donot understand what makes them 99 times out of 100 take the top spot in most reviews?

I understand Seasonic is a good brand but are they really better than PC Power & Cooling?

Links please to support your claim. Thx

there is only one link that has any significant impact when finding the ultimate king of the hill for PSUs:

http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20...sstest-03.html

That was some serious testing, I'd like to see toms testing every PSU on the market like this just a I want to see their scientific LCD panel testing for every LCD on the market.

All other reviews look like kiddie crap against it.

I have read the Toms Hardware Review..

I read nothing impressive about the PCPower &Cooling PSU or the Seasinoc except for it was quieter...

Yet I understand that PC Power and Cooling has taken care of the noise issue or are in the process of...

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=11&page=9

This power supply is not perfect, however. It is noisy, so if silence is one of your goals I suggest you do not short list this one. I have been told by PC P&C that they are working on solution to combat the noise. Knowing these guys it will be something of very high quality.

Also Toms Hardware I have been told is hardly unbiased...

Nothing impressive?

Running a PSU at full load on all rails for 24 hours is the most representative testing on the net.

Just look at how many failed, you will hardly find another PSU review where a PSU failed.

Seasonic passed that, while being very close to the specifications with high efficency, low noise and moderate price.

or in other words, the best PSU on the market

there is nothing like best:)

you think its best but i woudn't care about noise because i am an oc'er.

the market is so wide because there are different kinds of people:)

sigh

So, as an overclocker you do not care about 600 REAL watts, about low ripple values, about stable rails, about low heat due to large fan and good efficency?

The THG test looks like crap imo. You can't measure load by simply adding PSU's in the opposite direction of the current. They deliver steady load, something which is very uncommon in computing.

nice comment from PC&C

there is always space to imporve testing results, doesn't change the fact that THG has the most usefull PSU test on the net right now

I beg to differ, noise & performance tests: http://www.silentpcreview.com/section4.html

better on the noise testing, but certainly not for the stability testing


but we do like to read: There is not a single PSU we know of that can produce so much stable power as the S12-600 and stay as quiet


However, I have not seen a review or user stating current 120mm or bigger fan PSUs being noisy in a review so there isn't exactly a need for a SPCR style noise test.

But I'll be the guinea pig soon enough if it holds true under subjective SPCR criterias.

Actually SPCR cares more about noise than they do the actual test of the product they are testing.

I wonder why :p SilentPCreview

Also notice that SPCR has never tested a PC Power & Cooling Product.....makes ya wonder...hmmmmm

---> http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=6134

To be honest with you I for one would never ever let SPCR review any product that I made or was partners in making.
Becuase just the name implies to be a top quality product said product needs to be quiet in order to be efficient.
Which is NOT true.

I don't see where the problem lies, if you're making a product for those who like to have a silent PC , than why not let it test by a group of people devoted to Silent Computing?

however I agree that PCP&C is about POWER, not necessarly about NOISE; there are other mfgrs out there who cather to that audience

Here are just a few excerpts from verious reviews....
Are these people nuts or what???

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/produc...ech/index.html

Offering unflappable current delivery under heavy load, the Turbo-Cool 510 SLI should be the power supply of choice for anyone's SLI system.
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as stated by the peeps at Maximum PC Mag--
Our top pick for a high-wattage PSU is PC Power and Cooling's Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe Express ($195, www.pcpowercooling.com). Although a tad loud under load, we have no fear that any system could break this PSU—and nVidia has officially certified it to support SLI, Even better, threre's an SLI unit that's wired for two graphics cards.
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ExtremeMhx ---
"It is no doubt why PC Power and Cooling PSU's are the preferred choice for Maximum PC's Dream Machines over the years."
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I tested the 5v and 12v rails with a digital volt meter. Normally, I’m accustomed to seeing fluctuations of .5 to .10, which I consider to be "tight." Well, if a woven basket can be considered tight since it has a little give in it, this power supply would be a cinderblock, because it doesn’t move."
(PDF 343KB)

-TONY “MOCOMAN” ANGEL, PCEMAG.COM
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PCPower&Cooling have been producing what are widely considered to be, the best PSU´s on the market today. Since the company´s inception, they´ve raised an industry-wide bar on manufacturing standards for Switching Power Supplies. Theirs have been, and remain, the standard by which all others are measured"

Liquid3D, madshrimps.be
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Extreme OverClocking.com ---

Conclusions:

The PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe is a very nice power supply with plenty of features. The addition of the on/off switch, serial ATA power cables, and the wrapped tubing is just the icing on the cake. The performance of the unit is what one would expect for $230, well for almost anyone. We have tested quite a few power supplies in the past and PC Power and Cooling has always been one of the top performers.

The main issue with most consumers is going to be the price, which is going to depend on the buyer. If you have the money to shell out and want the best, then we can highly recommend this power supply. Keep in mind that the 510 Deluxe is backed with a 5 year warranty and a 30 day money back guarantee including freight. Most of the PSU's that we review do not come with warranties much over a year. Just think of it as a long term investment.
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So why all the fuss if the PC Power &Cooling Products are NOt the best.....

I am really lost here.....

I thought Fortron or Zippy or Seasonic were the best????

The people not caring about noise are a very small group and it does not get bigger. Noise is a customer value killer because everyone can and does judge it.

The problem with SPCR can be that they tend to judge products by keeping their ears 10 cm near the product or outside the case, so the results might not be real world results.


Today, a top quality PSU needs to be quiet and it's certainly not satisfying for the customer when products like 1000 $ CPUs do not come with a quiet stock fan or expensive motherboards from known manufactures do not come with a quiet NB (not even silent) cooling solution. Even for harddisks, Samsung sets the performance/noise bar very high with P120 series provided they come with nidec drives (JVC drives are a quality problem for samsung that they hopefully realize).

Or in other words, there are products that offer good performance, be quiet and cost not more, so WHY SETTLE FOR LESS?

well according to most over clockers you settle for the best when over clocking reliability and dependability as far as a PSU is concerned is supposedly more important...

I also under stand that both Antec and Seasonic recently got ahold of some bad caps and thus have been having problems....

I never hear about problems from Zippy or PC Power & Cooling....hmmm...unless they are keeping things hush hush

Rolex watch clicks and cost hell a lot more; Seiko Quartz makes no sound at all. They both keep good time.

there are few people left that really overclock with LN2 and dryice and go for records, then noise does indeed not matter