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jmke 25th October 2005 15:48

P4 Thermal Throttling causing damage?
 
If you run your P4 with Thermal Throttling active for long periods of time (your P4 is running too hot and it throttles the CPU speed to keep cooler) can it cause permanent damage to the core?

Sidney 25th October 2005 15:55

My fuzzy logic tells me, yes :)

jmke 25th October 2005 16:08

any links to prove your fuzzy logic? :)

Sidney 25th October 2005 16:13

All A is B,
Some B is C,
Therefore, some C is A.

Logic 101, no linkie :)

jmke 25th October 2005 16:15

OMG; okay, nice, but how does it prove that damage can be had from throttling? :p

Sidney 25th October 2005 16:34

All throttling is heat (given condition)
Some damage is heat (established)
Therefore, some throttling is damage.

FreeStyler 25th October 2005 22:38

high heat does reduce the lifespan of CPU and components.
Since throttling happens staring at about 75°C I think, that means high heat...

fuzzy logic is right indeed.

jmke 25th October 2005 22:40

are there no articles or online documentation which supports these claims?

75°C is not "too high" FYI

Sidney 26th October 2005 00:30

When the processor is subjected to throttling continuously from high temperature, the likelihood of damaging the processor is very probable.

A bullet proof vest will stop one, two, three bullets not hitting on the same spot and sparing your life; continously getting hit on different spot will kill you eventually. That is for sure.

If there are no articles, reports, claims as such could be -

1) Novice users did not even know why their Prescott die; let alone reporting the death.
2) Experienced users will have taken care of the throttling; and not continue using the system because he doesn't benefit from a slower and irratic response system.
3) Geeks will never say something like this unless the purpose of the dead processor is an attentional act.

Rather, the no article on the occurance that we know; doesn't preclude the nonextendence of the result. Unless, we disagree the fact that heat will and can damage processor.

jmke 26th October 2005 00:34

I agree if the CPU overheats, but the P4 starts throttling 15° before it reaches "dangerous" temperatures;

running at 75°C vs 40°C will not be noticable in the long run (CPU will live longer than you, most likely, other components failing before that.. also most likely)

Sidney 26th October 2005 01:06

I thought throttling for Prescott begin at ~90°C.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2004..._thermal_limit

Sidney 26th October 2005 01:27

Quote:

The system with a Prescott CPU shuts down at a higher temperature than that with a Northwood. The latter's peak was, in our case, 98°C, while Prescott never shut down at temperatures below 101°C, sometimes even working on at 105°C.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...ing/index.html

Prescott is so f*cked up .... most high end users get rid of them to save face :)

I keep mine because I have no face :D

FreeStyler 26th October 2005 14:58

I don't exactly know where it starts, I tought 75, but that might be the northwoods.
Anyway, no matter where it STARTS it can get higher. the CPU will drop a small percentage at 75 and more at 90 and even more at 110. Sometimes a P4 running at 50% will still be over 100°C, but working for all intents and purposes. I've seen CPU's (mostly AMD however) running at about 80-90°C for about a week without problems (except removing the cooler at the end of the week.)


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