what can linux do for me windows is getting on my nervs again so I wondered what linux could do for me since I have no expercience with it whatsoever. main criteria would be it has to run ALL games does msn messenger work? (seems unlikely but I'm no IRC'er so msn is my way atm) how do progs work in general? all those usefull tools for pc monitoring and all, does that work on linux or is linux a bit like a mac meaning it requires it's own progs and everything? :/ |
no linux runs all games. games that require Direct X (and that are a lot of games) won't work. Only open GL games do (UT by example) |
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forget about it - MSN => GAIM for example. there's another one, forgot the name, and it's pretty good too - programs => yes, all programs are designed either for windows, either for linux. the program Wine (WineX) allows you to run windows programs from linux |
Or in short, forget it. Linux is an awesome server OS for the smaller things (gameservers and such) and a very capable OS for desktop use. (browsing and office work) BUT, it takes a lot of time getting used to when comming from windows. It a pain to install third party addonds (some people can't even install the OS) And runs only a fraction of the games available (great for office application :p) |
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installing apps isn't hard. read the M A N U A L, that's the rule of thumb under Linux. almost everything is documented. either you install something with APT (like apt-get install mozilla), or you compile it yourself. the manual always describes how you have to do that. unzip it, ./configure, then use the 'make' command. except for dependencies (missing librairies), it's once again very hard to fail installing a program. if you even can't follow a manual then you shouldn't be working with linux at all installing extra librairies isn't very hard either. once you've found the right package, install or upgrade the library. man rpm for instructions... I prefer APT though, it automatically installs required libraries |
I haven't found any manual more usefull then toilet readings. Also free downloadables rarely have a decent manual, looking for one in google means cutting trough about 500 sites of **** before finding the any key. Linux just misses some good centralization. it's just too much details and no solid info. |
Your accusations are only true for distro's like suse,redhat,mandrake,... I get software installed much faster in linux than windows. |
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no, seriously .. :) if you know what and where to install it, installation of software on Windows is 3 times nothing. I don't have experience with linux, so I won't comment on that :) |
Imagine you want to unrar something and you don't know where to get such an application. Windows: 1. launch webbrowser 2. go to google.com 3. search for unrar download 4. open correct website 5. download the binarys 6. open the file in my computer 7. click next next next : ) 8. doubeclick the rar file 9. close all advertising screens / trail warnings 10. click extract 11. close app & you're done linux gentoo: 1. emerge -s rar (returns list of apps with rar in the title) 2. emerge unrar (downloads and installs unrar app) 3. unrar *.rar & you're done |
imagine you want to unblizop something and you don't where to get such an applications.. some procedure for both OS's your example is only in favour of linux because linux has an unrar application on the HD.. bad example RB! |
My appologies, I asumed you knew how emerge works. If you run linux Gentoo, you have a small local database which holds information about nearly every existing application: what it is used for, how large it is, which other programs it depends on AND the list of mirrors where it can be downloaded. When you type "emerge -s bla" it will search in your database for an app that has "bla" in it's description, and returns you a list (this takes about 5 seconds on an average computer). When you type "emerge bla" it will download the application from the internet (it will check your local disk first, in caser you already have a copy), and install it. |
for Debian, RH and other distro's: APT works about the same, but it doesn't have a database apt-cache search bla makes it search the server for bla. apt-get install bla downloads and installs its, together with other required packages apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get distro-upgrade ==> automatically brings all packages up to date :super: http://apt.freshrpms.net YUM works about the same, but they say it handles the dependencies better |
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there's more soft. available for Windows then for Linux, so the list for Linux is shorter ;) |
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Gentoo lists +77500 applications available. |
http://www.download.com/ has over 100k Windows software afaik http://www.tucows.com ... and so on :) I'm not referring to free software btw. |
Speaking for myself, i rather have a choice of 50k GPL-licenced software than 200k shareware/freeware/trailsoftware, and i think most (if not all) GNU users would agree with me. |
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Windows users would agree too, if they knew the difference. Why do you think all my systems run Linux??? Because it's worse?? Because it's 'cool to be different'?! I've got legal xxx € Windows licences, yet I run a free Linux OS. Yes, I can't play most games, but everything else (coding, surfing, watching tv, office) works better or equal. As I sadly don't have much time for playing games anymore, i happely stick to linux. I can still play UT/Quake clones so it's not as bad as it sounds. : ) JMke, you're a bright person. You know your way around both hardware and software. I'm fairly confident that if you would spend 1 month learning linux Gentoo, you will keep running it on at least one of your systems (well, I know your a MSCE, so your case might be different). |
I gain nothing by learning linux atm and I don't have time to learn it either :/ I do gain something by sticking with M$ at this time though, being MCSE doesn't have much to do with it. Having to offer support to M$ products @ work does however. I don't like the whole "tinkering" attitude of linux to get things running, sure it might be fun to have control over every piece of the OS and control/compile to your likings. But for someone who does not have the time to read up on all that, it is a pain in the *** :) linux is good for a webserver or dedicated application server. Everything else.. not enough official support yet. |
If you have someone setting it up, linux makes a GREAT office OS, using a local server and remote workstations. But it's still lacking for users without time to spare. It's a here and now world, not a here, then read some there, and again something WAAAY back there, and then it works (maybe) kinda world. I love the apt program for debian. I found the installation very easy. but it's not windows. Trying to install a linux without an extra PC for googling is hopeless. I know more people who cast of M$ in favor of unix. Good for them, I'll just have to play dungeon siege with someone else... |
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You can google while installing Gentoo fyi, if you don't mind a text based browser. ; ) |
Yea, that's if you know how to a) start it up, b) work with it. It may be just as easy to teach a n00b linux (being preinstalled with a nice GUI) as it is to teach him windows. But someone used to windows is totally lost in linux. |
someone used to DOS is semi-lost in linux ;) |
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