Face to Face of entry level dual core processors,AMD X2 4200+ V.S. Intel C2D E6300

windwithme · 14th January 2007, 06:53

The evolution of dual core cell in second half 2006, the product line already
into stable situation, both Intel/AMD all have dual core series product line in
the market.
There will be more Quad Core processor products and exposures in 2007.

Let’s take a look on exist dual core processors,
The newest Intel processor Core 2 Duo, entry product is C2D E6300 with in
184USD.
The same price segment product

This time we test 2 processors due to same price segment compare when in
default clock.
Why not overclock to test?
Cause there already had lots of overclock review over the world, Intel Core 2
series limited up to 3.6~4GHz, AM2 is about 3GHz, no matter overclock or
not, Intel Core 2 series got better performance, besides, normal users will not
overclock especially for SI or business use.
So I use default frequency to test their basic performance to fulfill the normal
usage information with same price.

Here they are!
Right side: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
Left side: AMD Athlon64 4200+ X2

The motherboards:
Intel
MSI P965 Platinum

AMD
DFI INFINITY NF 570 SLI-M2/G

Test DDR
CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF
Although this is PC8888 with DDR2 1111MHz speed, but as long as we run on
DDR2 800 with same CL timing, that will not be an issue.

Test VGA
MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ
I planed to use 7900GS or 8800GTX before, but 7900GT will be a suitable
level for this competition within mainstream segment.

The testing platform setup
Intel
CPU:Intel Core 2 Duo E6300
MB: MSI P965 Platinum
DRAM:CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF
VGA:MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ
HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:Tower112

AMD
CPU:AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+
MB: DFI INFINITY NF 570 SLI-M2/G
DRAM:CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF
VGA:MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ
HD:Seagate 7200.5 120GB
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:Tower112

windwithme · 14th January 2007, 06:57

EVEREST performance test
Memory read test
Intel

AMD

Memory write test
Intel

AMD

Memory data copy
Intel

AMD

Intel

AMD

Due to the AM2 platform DDR2 multiple limited, DDR2 only run on 737MHz
But in EVEREST test, AM2 got better performance then Intel platform with DDR2 800.
CPU Queen
Intel

AMD

CPU PhotoWorxx
Intel

AMD

CPU ZLib
Intel

AMD

CPU test, AM2 got better score with higher frequency.
We use nForce 570 SLI motherboard, CPUZ also showed the nForce 570 SLI.
I wonder why AM2 platform showed the nForce4 SLI ?!

FPU Julia
Intel

AMD

FPU Mandel
Intel

AMD

FPU SinJulia
Intel

AMD

On the FPU test, Intel did clear leading position in first 3 of the test.
In the last FPU Julia test, AM2 get back some score.

In the final:
I used some of the popular testing program to have the numbers,
Beside AM2 take the lead on EVEREST and Intel got better performance with
SuperPI, their performance were equally the same with balanced test result
with other software.

In my opinion, AM2 can not beat Intel on SuperPI with big range result, in the
other test, AM2 could catch up Intel Core 2 Duo series with 350MHz~450
MHz higher, that’s also the frequency difference between AM2 4200+ X2 2.2G
and E6300 1.86G.

About the temperature,
65nm Core 2 Duo is almost the same temp. with 90nm AM2 procesors
between 2~4 degree.
This time we got 65W version on AMD 4200+ X2, the code is ADO means 65
W, Intel Core 2 Duo is also 65W refer to the formal information.
So they are both the same quality on temperature and watts.

Some performance user would like to focus on overclock performance, Intel
Core 2 series could have the chance up to 3.6~4GHz, but AM2 just only over
3GHz so far, so lead in 65nm procedure and reduce the watts will be the first
priority on AMD side.

But for normal DIY computer or local brand PC user,
These 2 different dual core platform got almost same performance, consumers should consider more on motherboard,
memory and other components combination to consider!

I would like to have an entry level dual core platform test all the time, this
test review did a little bit late for readers, compare the performance with
same price segment CPUs.
Most of the dual core products will become vendor’s main benefit income, the
only thing we have to consider is cost and performance and what we need to
work on for a PC, we don’t need to focus on I or A brand with emotional
discuss, just need to take a look on test result and get what you really need
on the market!

jort · 14th January 2007, 10:34

Great comparison WindWithMe

14th January 2007, 10:38

This is the first time I see an AMD X2 beating a Core Duo in so many test

.

How about doing some less synthetic test ? Like some 3D benches (3DMark, UT2K4, ...) or some system benches like PCMark ?

Massman · 14th January 2007, 13:21

Yeah, AMD beats Intel when it comes to stock performance, but as windwithme already mentioned, with a little overclocking, Intel should do better.

Windwithme: Are both mems running command rate 1T?

jmke · 14th January 2007, 13:48

I'm all in favor too of Game benchmarks (free Doom3 demo, Half Life 2 Demo, Supreme Commander Beta + Replay Downloads) and Application benchmarks (PhotoShop, MP3/DIVX/WMV encoding)

it will give a more down-to-earth comparison; these synthetic benchmarks are "ok" at best, who knows how 7850mb/s in synth. benchmark X translates to real world performance?

windwithme · 15th January 2007, 03:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massman

Yeah, AMD beats Intel when it comes to stock performance, but as windwithme already mentioned, with a little overclocking, Intel should do better.

Windwithme: Are both mems running command rate 1T?

P965 cant set 1T/2T...

Massman · 15th January 2007, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by windwithme

P965 cant set 1T/2T...

Will you try another chipset in order to see the difference if the command rates are the same ?

14th January 2007, 06:53	#1
windwithme Eastern OC Expert Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,090	Face to Face of entry level dual core processors,AMD X2 4200+ V.S. Intel C2D E6300 The evolution of dual core cell in second half 2006, the product line already into stable situation, both Intel/AMD all have dual core series product line in the market. There will be more Quad Core processor products and exposures in 2007. Let’s take a look on exist dual core processors, The newest Intel processor Core 2 Duo, entry product is C2D E6300 with in 184USD. The same price segment product This time we test 2 processors due to same price segment compare when in default clock. Why not overclock to test? Cause there already had lots of overclock review over the world, Intel Core 2 series limited up to 3.6~4GHz, AM2 is about 3GHz, no matter overclock or not, Intel Core 2 series got better performance, besides, normal users will not overclock especially for SI or business use. So I use default frequency to test their basic performance to fulfill the normal usage information with same price. Here they are! Right side: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Left side: AMD Athlon64 4200+ X2 The motherboards: Intel MSI P965 Platinum AMD DFI INFINITY NF 570 SLI-M2/G Test DDR CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF Although this is PC8888 with DDR2 1111MHz speed, but as long as we run on DDR2 800 with same CL timing, that will not be an issue. Test VGA MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ I planed to use 7900GS or 8800GTX before, but 7900GT will be a suitable level for this competition within mainstream segment. The testing platform setup Intel CPU:Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 MB: MSI P965 Platinum DRAM:CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF VGA:MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ HD:Seagate 7200.7 80GB POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply Cooler:Tower112 AMD CPU:AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ MB: DFI INFINITY NF 570 SLI-M2/G DRAM:CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-8888C4DF VGA:MSI NX7900GT-VT2D256EZ HD:Seagate 7200.5 120GB POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply Cooler:Tower112

14th January 2007, 10:34	#3
jort Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: mechelen(belgium) Posts: 2,037	Great comparison WindWithMe __________________ watercooling, chilled water,direct phase change, cascade, custom modding

14th January 2007, 13:48	#6
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,010	I'm all in favor too of Game benchmarks (free Doom3 demo, Half Life 2 Demo, Supreme Commander Beta + Replay Downloads) and Application benchmarks (PhotoShop, MP3/DIVX/WMV encoding) it will give a more down-to-earth comparison; these synthetic benchmarks are "ok" at best, who knows how 7850mb/s in synth. benchmark X translates to real world performance? __________________

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14th January 2007, 06:57	#2
windwithme Eastern OC Expert Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,090	EVEREST performance test Memory read test Intel AMD Memory write test Intel AMD Memory data copy Intel AMD Intel AMD Due to the AM2 platform DDR2 multiple limited, DDR2 only run on 737MHz But in EVEREST test, AM2 got better performance then Intel platform with DDR2 800. CPU Queen Intel AMD CPU PhotoWorxx Intel AMD CPU ZLib Intel AMD CPU test, AM2 got better score with higher frequency. We use nForce 570 SLI motherboard, CPUZ also showed the nForce 570 SLI. I wonder why AM2 platform showed the nForce4 SLI ?! FPU Julia Intel AMD FPU Mandel Intel AMD FPU SinJulia Intel AMD On the FPU test, Intel did clear leading position in first 3 of the test. In the last FPU Julia test, AM2 get back some score. In the final: I used some of the popular testing program to have the numbers, Beside AM2 take the lead on EVEREST and Intel got better performance with SuperPI, their performance were equally the same with balanced test result with other software. In my opinion, AM2 can not beat Intel on SuperPI with big range result, in the other test, AM2 could catch up Intel Core 2 Duo series with 350MHz~450 MHz higher, that’s also the frequency difference between AM2 4200+ X2 2.2G and E6300 1.86G. About the temperature, 65nm Core 2 Duo is almost the same temp. with 90nm AM2 procesors between 2~4 degree. This time we got 65W version on AMD 4200+ X2, the code is ADO means 65 W, Intel Core 2 Duo is also 65W refer to the formal information. So they are both the same quality on temperature and watts. Some performance user would like to focus on overclock performance, Intel Core 2 series could have the chance up to 3.6~4GHz, but AM2 just only over 3GHz so far, so lead in 65nm procedure and reduce the watts will be the first priority on AMD side. But for normal DIY computer or local brand PC user, These 2 different dual core platform got almost same performance, consumers should consider more on motherboard, memory and other components combination to consider! I would like to have an entry level dual core platform test all the time, this test review did a little bit late for readers, compare the performance with same price segment CPUs. Most of the dual core products will become vendor’s main benefit income, the only thing we have to consider is cost and performance and what we need to work on for a PC, we don’t need to focus on I or A brand with emotional discuss, just need to take a look on test result and get what you really need on the market!

14th January 2007, 10:38	#4
wutske Posts: n/a	This is the first time I see an AMD X2 beating a Core Duo in so many test . How about doing some less synthetic test ? Like some 3D benches (3DMark, UT2K4, ...) or some system benches like PCMark ?

14th January 2007, 13:21	#5
Massman [M] Reviewer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Waregem Posts: 6,466	Yeah, AMD beats Intel when it comes to stock performance, but as windwithme already mentioned, with a little overclocking, Intel should do better. Windwithme: Are both mems running command rate 1T?