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Old 21st April 2004, 09:15   #11
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This would be a very interesting editoral indeed.

I don't fully agree with the following though:
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sure there were a lot steps , but compare with the older series

P1 - 70 90 120 133 166 200 233
P2 - 233 250 300 333 366 433(?) 450
P3 - 500 550 600 650 700 750 800 866 900 1000

(there are more but don't remember them all)

now take the P4 - 1.5 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.26 2.4 2.53 2.6 2.66 2.8 3.0 3.06 3.2 3.4
Your P3 series are far from complete, let's compare them all:

P3 Katmai 100 fsb (450 - 550)
P3 Katmai 133fsb (533)
P3 Coppermine slot, 100fsb (600 - 1000)
P3 Coppermine slot, 133fsb (600 - 1133)
P3 Coppermine socket, 100 fsb (600 - 1000)
P3 Coppermine socket, 133 fsb (600 - 1133)
P3 Tualatin socket, 133 fsb (1000 - 1400)

All together, these are 36 (!) different desktop P3 processors. That's a whole lot more than 15 P4 models, don't you think?


I fully agree about the Processor hype, but that's mainly because we are pc-enthousiasts and know how to assemble our own pc. It's pretty logical in my humble opinion a average consumer will asume that when he buys a PC with a good processor, he expects it to have an equally good videocard, ram, harddrive, etc. The sad part is most OEM's abuse this fact (look at HP / Packard bell pc's: good cpu, but everything else is as cheap as possible). I admire Dell for this, they might not be cheap, but at least they don't cheat on consumers. A pitty they don't sell cheap Athlon XP rigs for people who don't want to pay for an expensive P3C rig, but don't want a Celeron either.
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Your P3 series are far from complete, let's compare them all:
"(there are more but don't remember them all)"
just wait 6 months, the P4 series will surpass your number of 36


if Intel doesn't solve the preshott problem then Dell might consider AMD, they have not changed their minds yet, but the ways things are going...
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jeuj, sata speeds double, HDD's still can't keep up.
the bottleneck is imo the HD, not the interface
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put 5 HD's on one controller,
then try to convince me "it's not the interface"
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well, there is 2.4a 2.4b 2.4c and 2.4e

bleh

im sticking with the much saner athlonxps

btw, i just won a contest so my computer gets a total overhaul - $200 from monarchcomputers so im gonna get an nf7-s r2 and mobile 2500, then sell my soltek, 1700, and xms to buy ram
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I fully agree about the Processor hype, but that's mainly because we are pc-enthousiasts and know how to assemble our own pc. It's pretty logical in my humble opinion a average consumer will asume that when he buys a PC with a good processor, he expects it to have an equally good videocard, ram, harddrive, etc. The sad part is most OEM's abuse this fact (look at HP / Packard bell pc's: good cpu, but everything else is as cheap as possible). I admire Dell for this, they might not be cheap, but at least they don't cheat on consumers. A pitty they don't sell cheap Athlon XP rigs for people who don't want to pay for an expensive P3C rig, but don't want a Celeron either.
here in the states - go to a best buy/ circuit city and find a p4 3.2C using a freakin 9200 or 5200 vid card, and thats the norm

its sad - and yet people still compare the prices on those pieces of crap to quotes you give them on decent computers
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Just because enthusiasts assemble their PC, does not mean it is money well spent. It's worst; because they all want a bigger **** than others; >$500 for processor, >$400 graphic cards.

Who do you think buying the 1st 1000 units? Stupid enthusiasts, in many ways.
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put 5 HD's on one controller,
then try to convince me "it's not the interface"
what do you mean?

if you put 5 hd's on one controller, the PCI bus is the bottleneck imo.
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Just because enthusiasts assemble their PC, does not mean it is money well spent. It's worst; because they all want a bigger **** than others; >$500 for processor, >$400 graphic cards.
Wel, I also want to have the fastest possible stuff, but I never buy top line, for example now a 9800Xt, while the pro costs half of it...

But I know what I buy, ad mostely it has a decent overclocking capability...
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I also want to have the fastest possible stuff, but I never buy top line, for example now a 9800Xt, while the pro costs half .
So, you are about 6 months behind kind of guys with Vcard; and MAY be two months behind in CPU/Board.

Corporate America is 3.5 YEARS behind on average; because write-off of investment is about 3 years.

But, here is an interesting article, although written a few years back it is holding its value even today.

http://www.dansdata.com/sbs12.htm

Look at this from another angle:

1) The upgrade will increase your productivity with which you will have more idle time = no upgrade necessary.
2) The upgrade will increase your productivity otherwise you could not perform your duty = upgrade is necessary.
3) The upgrade allows you to get to a higher level of competency = uppgrade is necessary.
4) Without constant upgrade you feel unhappy hence affecting your daily productivity = you need to find a life, upgrade is unnecessary

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