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Danger Den RBX Acclerator-nozzle Comparison

Liquid3D pushes his P4 3.0 to 37xx with the help of Danger Den's RBX water block!

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An in-depth look at Danger Den´s latest water block. The standard nozzle of the RBX can be swapped for a more per formant one; we set out to see what difference it actually makes!

http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=145

This article desperately needs editing - misused words, mangled sentences, paragraphs with no real information, the test description is disorganized, many of the pictures do nothing but interupt reading. Some part simply made no sense at all.

"too many big words right?"

Just saw the review and stopped by. I have to say I like the idea but some advice.
The biggest thing is that you left the windows open. Leaving the ambient temperature uncontrolled. I know the two blocks weren't tested at the same time, so especially with how wind chill changes pretty quickly I can't say how reliable the results are. That's the biggest concern really. A revised article done under a different testing strategy would be a wise decision

In the tag-line, for example: "The standard nozzles of the RBX can be swapped for a more per formant one"

Per and formant are words acceptable to a spellchecker, but are obviously not what was intended. Is one nozzle being substituted for many? It should be "The standard nozzles of the RBX can be swapped for a more performant ones" or "The standard nozzle of the RBX can be swapped for a more performant one" (emphasis added).

Did anyone read this article before publishing? Your readers who aren't native English speakers deserve better.

Interesting sentence "construction". : ) However, if the article means what I think it means, good stuff.

I agree. While the research is well-done, there are many variables here... not the least of which are the open windows. Now i'm Canadian, but how many Californians are going to have access to -10C wind blowing through their room to cool. Not to mention, we see five nozzles on the fourth page. I don't see why there's three of one type and two of the other, and I'm pretty sure it's not explained.

Lastly, the phrasing of the article is abominable. No offense to Liquid, it's like he's trying to show off his (perhaps) commendable vocabulary, and in doing so loses almost the entire point of the article to the reader. (Perhaps, because it is so overboard I feel there was great overuse of the thesaurus here. Heheh...) Don't get me wrong, I read it... Up until the third page, then I decided to look at the pictures for the rest of the way, since the overuse of words like "impingement" and "antipodean’s flow" kinda turned me off. I wouldn't even mind Liquid trying to make me feel like an idiot if he provided a small dictionary at the end.

Alas, it was not so.

While this style of writing may be good for legal documents and autopsy reports, you're driving readers away. No good deal. You can be descriptive, detailed and still capture interest without showing off your brain power. I have read some fantastic books by writers that write like Liquid, and while the stories are great, it takes twice as much time to read them, for all the unneccesary archaic text-deciphering.

While I look forward to your next review... I hope you'll heed a few of my words.

Cheers ~Ambientshadow

Please register, it's free... :rolleyes:

Some details I want to add: ° it's still less good then the LRWW and the Cascade (but cheaper, which compensates)...
° if you open the waterblock, the warranty is void (Dangerden is playing some strange games with it's customers)...
° Where did you see Dangerden was known for it's highest quality fabrication process? They are known for their plexi which breaks after just a few months...

Oh, and to the spelling-correcting unregistered guy, you've done mistakes in your correction... :D

Heh, ya that does take the sting out of a complaint. :) Then again, I never claimed to have edited my post...

How's about a technical detail? There is no thermal diode at the CPU's (or IHS's) surface. All the transistors/diodes that make up a chip are on one level, they are the first structures formed on the silicon wafer. The diode used in thermal-throttling may be in a hotter region of the chip and the externally-monitored one in a cooler region, but they are the same distance from the surface.

In other silliness...measuring temps at two processor speeds is a "preponderance of data" ?

By the way, opening a DD block only voids the leakfree portion of the the warranty. All other warranties still apply.

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To date I've haven’t seen a single review where the number-5 nozzle was tested, and this surprises me given the nozzle's dispersion?

Do the nozzle disperse (as in water) or are they dispersed (as in widely scattered across the land)? And why would either possibility induce reviews?

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As long as all parameters remain constant especially the motherboard thermistor reading, the nozzles become the only variables.

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This portion of the review was performed on a much cooler morning, so the ambient temps (Temp-1 or motherboard) will differ from the day prior.

Hey, this is kind of fun!

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When overclocking, I do not raise the Vcore as it's not necessarily with this CPU,

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this time I increased Vcore to 1.70V as I experienced several re-boots

It's so hard to choose... :)

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Originally posted by Unregistered

Did anyone read this article before publishing? Your readers who aren't native English speakers deserve better.

thank you Unregistered for the quick check-up with spelling and grammar. I'm aware that we currently do not have a proofreader available for our published articles/howtos. something we are working on :)

Just looked at this article and couldn't bring myself to read past the first page.

Had a glance at the conclusion though, and have to say... what in Holy Mary's name was going on there?

"adept at conducting the intense heat signature innate to P4 overclocking. This makes this nozzle an appurtenant overclocking option"

You what mate?? "Appurtenant overclocking option"? Sounds like a challenge off Banzai or something.

"propagating rapid bi-lateral uptake of the heated water"

O...K....

And my favourite: "conspire to absorb, and expurgate the maximum amount of thermal energy (heat)" :D :D

Yes, and I like to perform intimate relations with the capra hircii species, of the bovidae family (goats)

Hey, I talk like that all day, dude.

Calantak's right you know :p

Liquid3D Wrote

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I won't apologize for my writing style, however; I will think about many of the comments made here, even though some derive from a hostile place. I've learned one can grow from confrontation, no matter the source. I do have trouble with basic grammar. I left School in 8th grade due to alcoholism, and trauma in my family. For these reasons I never concentrated when I was in school, I suffered from emotional problems. After fleeing the "normality" of school, I was addicted to drugs, and NYC clubbing for the next ten years, until I was introduced to cociane, then my life truly spiralled out of control. Unfortunately I've experienced things most people will not even see in movies. Without going into detail, it is a miracle I'm alive. If I were to say few of you could understand what I've been through, nor would most of you been capable of surviving any of it, I'm sure this would anger you. It would, however; be the truth. That I survived what I did, and came out on the other end a kind, honest, and very caring person, places me in a unique catagory. I went from having no basic education, to taking Graduate level philosophy classes because I was so excited to be in school, after years of pretending to be. In fact I manintained a 4.0 GPA, yet in the "Intro to such and such" I wouldn't do as well. Because I completely lacked what most take for granted (grades 4-12), I did better with abstract thinking then the basics such as their, and they're.

When I write, I do try to emulate to a certain extent, many of the Philosophical essay's I've read. Not verbatem, nor to feel "important," but because I found those articles to be entertaining. That Thomas Nagel can write an article entitled; "What is it like to be a Bat" and from that essay I learned there's more to Mind/Body problem then reducing thought's to physiochemical brain-states. I beleive we all have influences in our lives. Even Procooling was influenced by something.

Whom here is perfect? I believe being judgemental is a greater crime then my propensity for grandiose writing. If we never looked at a dictionary, or thesaurus how would we learn? Did those of you criticising me, sit in class and tell every teacher they were being pompous when using a word you didn't understand? No, because you had either respect, or fear. Sometimes talking to a wall is preferable to talking someone insulting you for not thinking as they do. Procooling feeling they're above [M] and that your worthy to judge, that's not humility, it is what you accused me of, feeling "self important." Expanding one's vocabulary, is expanding one's mind. We use language to think, and I won't apologize for my attempting to find terminology which most closely describes what I'm thinking. Nor my occaisionally looking at the thesuarus. What might surprise you, is that I do have a wide vocabulary. I also try writing in a scientific mannar it's true. As I said I'm influenced by many philosophers, scientists, and I beleive computer science is intertwined with several feilds. I also agree that it would have been better to have the appropriate tools, however; not everyone own's a compunurse, and understands the Delta-T prinicple. What about those readers? Are they not worthy of owning a water-block? It's also YOUR opinion a "true scientist" wouldn't perform the experiment with out the ideal tools. Did we use the ideal tools to land the Rover on Mars? No, but that doesn't mean we shoudln't try, so long as were intelligent enough to understand the nature fo the data, and any special formula's which may be necessary to extrapolate from it (pun intended) the best results.

My review is not perfect, and I will write the next differently, in part because of your criticisms. Not because I'm an insecure person, who "needs to feel important through the use of big words," but because I'm writing to entertain almost as well as educate. While some of you made astute observations (criticisms) the majority were prima facie. What I've come to enjoy enjoy in most of the Neurophilosophy essay's I've read, is they are not so technicallly sterile they lack any creative thought. I'm sure I could have explained the block in 8th grade terms, even though I missed the entire grade. What accomplishement is that? I'm not writing textbooks for 8-th Grader's so your analogy is moot. Perhaps those of you, thinking knowledge should lack any creative catalyst making it more interesting, are products of a poor educational system. I could have regurgitated, stating; "The RBX is a good block because it borrows several successful concepts...therefore by definition it is successful..." I din't contradict myself stating it borrowed concepts, and that this was a creative thinking on the engineer's part. They could have borrowed all the wrong concepts. They could have left out the channels which direct the heated water to the outlets. They could have made it out of wood.

There are many articles which bother me, many where the results were fabricated. I think long and hard about what I review, and take offense to the accusation my review was "shoddy," because it didn't fit an egocentric mold. Many intelligent thinkers were misunderstood, shunned by society, because they were different. Socrates was forced to consume poision for his transgressions, and Galileo was persecuted because his thinking contradicted the Church's belief the Earth was at the center of the universe, and the planets revolved around it. Do all the hardware sites on the internet revolve around Procooling?

Why didn't I test all the nozzles? Why haven't you criticized every other review that didn't test more then one of the nozzles? Although a few tried several, none compared the facotry installed number-1, and the high-pressure "spray" nozzle number-5. Your criticism of the nozzles tested, is indicative of your, not my misunderstanding the subject. I felt it was important to look at the two extremes. It's time consuming, to change-out nozzles, take photo's, measurements, benchmarks, and form a solid theory from this data. It's true that I do tend to use several words where one may suffice, and beleive it or not, I'm trying to improve this. I'm working to strike a balance, and while some of your criticimss are insultive, and hostile, I'll grow use them. What does bother me, is your attacking JMKE, whom gave an Enthusiast, and budding amateur writer, an outlet for expression. While my writing is grandiloquent (pun intended) I'm enjoying my exploration of the English language, one of the most complicated. The pertinent question is, "why does it bother you so much? Answer that question, be honest, and we'll meet as minds. Not jealous adolesents with little or no life-experience, upset because someone wrote a slightly esoteric article. Does the average person water-cool their PC? No the average person doesn't know what the Hell were talking about, so perhaps my article reminds you of you? It's quite easy to criticize, but to sit down and write an Review is not so easy. We were all beginner's once, I often wonder why those who aquire a little experience become so cruel. Zog mentioned how sites publish material without giving much thought to the results. In my case you couldn't be more mistaken. When someone thinks about a block, long and hard enough to use a statement such as "bi-lateral uptake," that's not the cursory observation of someone rushing through a review. If anything I should be accused of over-analysing.

By the way I didn't say I had a PhD from Brown. I moved to Newport RI after breaking my back in a mountian bike race. I also spent years living in Hawaii, Costa Rica, and California, surfing, and racing MTB bikes competitively. There's more to me then PC's. I may be re-applying to Brown's RUE program, but in addition to my spinal injury, I have severe Liver disorder from Steroid injections for pain managment. I actually dislike Providence RI, and it's important to me where I go to school. Basically I'm terminally Ill, so I have a few other things to think about, but when I do something, I don't do it half-assed. I don't mind criticism, I mind egotism. And I've written countless stores, and other manufacturers trying to obtain a Compunurse or other such device. I live in Low Income Housing, and survive on Social Security Disibility which pays only $600 monthly. I not feeling sorry for myself, I'm simply explaining a true Scientist is someone whom loves science, and will forge ahead no matter their "budget." As odd as this may sound I thank some of you for your criticism.

Full discussion thread found here: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...9&page=1&pp=25

Man these people on Procooling are harsh, let them have some life... :rolleyes:

EDIT: I was a bit harsh too in my comment, so I edited...

Btw, I only looked at the content of the article, cos I'm used to languages (Latin - ancient greek for some part of my high school years (I think it's the right word :D ), french (native language), english, dutch, very rusty and limited german :D ), and I rapidly see the point of the author...

But next time, I'll have a closer look... ;)

Luiquid3D: hang on and try till it suits everybody's taste :hello:

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Originally posted by Xploited Titan
Man these people on Procooling are harsh, let them have some life... :rolleyes:

yeah... there are two reasons for that: Jaydee is sometimes pretty rude with people, and they're all Pro's that exactly know what they're doing. they didn't like his style of writing: no offense Liquid3D, but in the review he pretends to be an expert by making his text very complicated

I've read a lot of stuff written by Cathar, he's an expert making the best waterblocks out there but his explanation of the Cascade is still understandable... there's absolutely no need to make things even more complicated then they already are!

if you read the other reviews and articles Liquid3D has published here on [M] then you will see that they don't differ much from the current one. It is his style of writing, but he's refining his writing, like everyone :)