I think what you wrote is based on other people's "facts" and added you own conclusion to that so some parts of what you stated cannot be agrued with , with you.. because you were not the one writing those facts :)

we are all here to learn

the guys over at Anandtech sure have some great comments on the article, go give it a read, they seem eager to answer some questions that might lead to everyone finding the whole truth :)

If you are just looking for a "conspiracy" or a "plot", then you have to mention this in your introduction that this was the reason why you started thinking about it. Now it's like you have found some inside information and you made an article about it.
I don't criticize the article, but you have the make that point clear.

and, eh, in my humble opinion, hardware isn't really about conspiracys and philosophy, but only Science and Economics that matter... ;)

hardware is about money. they don't much about the technical side of things, as longs as it delivers the $$$$

just to keep all the info in the same thread, here are some of the very usefull responses provided by the people over @ anandtech

jmke I think you misunderstand my retort at Anandtech. I welcome the criticism, it's the condenscending manner which I feel is inappropriate. I'm not deferring all criticisms to the following attitude; "It's all Austin's idea's, criticize him not me..."

What I'm saying is why did this person, choose not to criticize Austin's TBred guide when it was released months ago? We've all been speculating about it, and all of a sudden it's "so wrought with inaccuracies" as to be "funny," and even "unworthy" of another persons time? Well he took the time to be insultive did he not?

It's apparent to me you have a lot of respect for Anand Lai Shimpi as he does study EE at North Carolina tech, and I joined Anandtech a while ago, but didn't necessarily find it enganging. Considering your number of posts there, perhaps you haven't either? But in so far as genuflecting in the presence of someone because they claim to work at the Intel 130nm fab facility is silly. I'd had more respect for him if he had shown simple respect. Otherwise I wouldn't care if the person responding to my article was a member of Scandia Labs, and the inventor EUVL. This does not justify sarcasm and condescension. I don't care what a person's credentials are, if they cannot interact in manner befitting of their intellect. I bet he doesn't talk to his supervisor that way? I may not know everything, or anything about photolithography, comparitively, but I know a whole lot about psychology, behaviorism, displacement, projection, and where these attitudes derive from.

I also happen to know a lot about anthropology, sociology, and the sociological implications of economics. Of course we as consumers are victimized by capitalism, but what's frustrating, is we don't have to be. A business can be run profitably any number of ways. In fact what I do know about IC manufacturing, is it's impact on the environment is detrimental. That's one reason why there are so few fab facilities in the US. It's much more costly to process, and dispose of the photoresist chemicals here then almost anywhere else. Labor is another reason. Intel could remain a profitable company by relocating all it's manufacturing facilites here, that supply the US market. But when individuals (and a business is composed of people) feel a need to have five houses instead of three, retire with 500,000 shares instead of 100,000 that's called greed. Capitalism and greed however are not necessarily synonomous. In fact if Intel, and AMD chose to invest in LADI, instead of EUVL, they would not only eliminate huncreds of steps from the manufacturing process, they'd eschew the caustic chemicals, cut production times, and shrink the die size beyond EUVL. Why don't they do this? Habit, change, and complacency. So when someone who works in a fabrication facility, begins spouting economic theory, your welcome to hang on his every keystroke. But what sounds foolish to him, in my postulations, may sound foolish to me in his. And for the same reasons. I do not instantly subscribe to his version of the truth simply "because." I didn't imply there was some dep conspiracy, but hpw long have you been in these forums and had peoiple in the business clarify issues? I find their rarely doing so. It's becoming obvious I'm wrong about the "missing steppings" I never thought I was right, only that it may be a possibility. Now because of criticism, I'm learning it's most likely not possible. But that's not to say it didn't happen because neither you, nor I, nor the "expert" at Anand was either.
I can be wrong gracefully, I only wish people could be critical in a similiar fashion. I know it's about money, and that's very sad. Are you willing to embrace thsoe feelings, even momentarily? I am, and when someone so abrubtly rubs it in my face, I think that's the appropriate time to do so.

EDIT: I have to go back there, and respond again as from the quotes you just posted; this person is now, taking the time to respond in a constructive manner. And that's all I ask. What's frustrating is I'd love to add some comments to the article to avoid further misunderstanding, but once it's been printed, how do i do this?

uhm? what where?
If I were to be a "fan" of him, I would have had more then just 9 posts on his forum ;)

I just like to keep it very polite, polite = gay? ;)

I just dont want to start any dispute over there, I surely felt bad when he said "where to start , I surely cant mention all" , and was ready to answer in another way then I did.. but I also thought "whats the use"?

I'm just trying to help you out in finding answer we are looking for, not everyone seems to be helpfull right away, as in, what he stated also, lots of people have claimed certain theories to be factual while they are not at all.. he didnt read the article in depth first time around, as you have mentioned in the article that these were presumtions

I hope you dont take offence when I try to get some reactions on your writings from different corners on the web.

AMEN! I had a feeling of disgust when I read the comment @ tweakers.net

instead of just saying "I think he was wrong on those points because a.. b...c.." , no.. he had to start of with "what a load of bullcrap"

really can tick someone of, I find it very :super: you remain cool all along

I've seen the nick Liquid3D around for some time now, as I read on XS, both [M] and XS are homes away from home. what is your real home forum. www.ninjamicros.com ?

send the changes that need to be done to jmke@madshrimps.be
and I'll fix them right away! :king:

hey even RobT seems to be providing usefull info :)



more @ http://www.madshrimps.be/upload/jmke/tbread/
will translate the comments tommorow :)

I apologize jmke you have been my staunchest supporter, and you've been investing as much time in this as I have, maybe even more considering your moderating.

I really am sorry. I have nearly 100 emails daily with criticisms about spelling to punctuation. I don't mind, but example Irregardless is a word of the English language, it's in the Websters New World Dictionary, as well as others. And this is just one of many.I have replied to every email. And when wrong I promptly admit it, and even thank the person. It's becomes hurtful when people malicsiously attack my efforts reducing it to pure dirt. Which ultimately I don't mind, becuase without grains of sand there'd be no silicon. Hence there'd be nothing to even argue over, such is the cycle of life. It's just that I am human and attemtpting to be "open" leaves one vulnerable by defeifnition, ergo I 've become hypersensitive. So initially it's hurtful, and I react. I'm working on this.

However your certainly not someone who deserves that type of response. My goal for the next few days is not to apologize as much, Which means I'm going to make a concerted effort NOT to overreact, and remembering who my freinds are! And I've been taught, even if criticism comes from a malicious place, I can still learn from it. Thank's I'm working on some amendments to add at the bottom of the article.

Liquid3D you have made a extraordinary entrance at the [M] forum :ws: , your dedication to finding out the true story is something lots of people would be jealous of :)

aha! read this after I replied to your email, answers my questions :)