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Massman 28th December 2009 10:47

Findings are in line with THG - good enough, I won't rant in the article :)

Massman 28th December 2009 11:02

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TURBO DISABLED



TURBO ENABLED



Only 4k is a problem with speedtech enabled.

jmke 28th December 2009 11:08

so now only C-state disabled in BIOS?
does in impact power usage at idle, do you have a power meter,

Massman 28th December 2009 11:12

Only have a broken one :(.

Massman 9th January 2010 14:34

Coming back to the HDD issue, this is what THG said:

Quote:

In short: really fast SSDs that can deliver 200 MB/s or even more of throughput become limited by CPU performance due to power saving mechanisms—or more precisely, they are bottlenecked by a limited availability of CPU time.
Assuming that this hypothesis is correct, we should see this kind of behavior when manually decreasing the CPU multiplier. Assuming that the PCMark HDD test results are accurate, we can see that:

- 3.80GHz = 84000
- 2.67GHz = 80000

The result when enabling the power-saving settings, the result is around 52000. In theory, these power-saving settings decrease the CPU multiplier to the lowest possible value, in this case "12x133" = 1600MHz.

So, there are two possibilities:

1) The hypothesis is correct and the HDD transfer rate is affected mostly because of the reduces amount of CPU cycles.
2) The hypothesis is incorrect and the HDD transfer rate is affected by another cause, possibly in interaction with the reduced CPU cycles.

There's an easy test to test the hypothesis: if the reduced CPU cycles are indeed the cause of the sudden drop in HDD performance, we should see the same behavior when manually decreasing the CPU multiplier while disabling all power saving features. If the hypothesis is correct, we should find a logarithmic relation between HDD tranfer rate and CPU cycle: the lower the clock frequency, the faster decrease in HDD performance. If we find a different relation, eg linear, we'll see that the performance result when enabling power-saving technology differs from the performance result obtained when manually decreasing the CPU multiplier.

Sadly enough, I don't have the tools to measure the performance right now as the Acard is at a colleagues place.

jmke 9th January 2010 15:09

the C-states disable features on the CPU to reduce power usage at idle, it's not completely identical to manually lower the multiplier, that is just speedstep in action

Massman 9th January 2010 15:21

Hm.

I assume that we can trick the CPU not to go to the C-states by putting a bit of load on the cpu's using an application that load all four cores.

jmke 9th January 2010 22:47

Intel TAT can put a 10% workload on all cores easily :)

Massman 9th January 2010 23:44

Ok.

Is there a tool that reports in what power saving state a CPU is in?

jmke 10th January 2010 08:33

is this any good? http://intel-r-processor-id-utility..../3.9/download/

More info on power managment:
- http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...management.htm
- http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611 (C States)


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