Lessons from the difficult birth of the Spider platform - Page 2

30th November 2007, 14:11

IBM very much uses powerpoints... they don't rely solely on them though, and neither does Intel.

Would agree with the general point made with the first article though, its a very common problem.

30th November 2007, 14:58

It's a question whetere you use it for internal or external communication.

Because most of the press is lazy, Powerpoint is good so they can copy and paste stuff. You can also not try to change a customer so you have to use powerpoint there as well.

jmke · 30th November 2007, 15:03

for presentations it's all nice, but I absolutely hate the fact that University professors starting using powerpoint for their lessons and just printing out these no-info holding PP books and call them "study guides"; really very very lame

30th November 2007, 15:12

Indeed, it seems that the powepoint part of our readers get bigger and bigger while the article part becomes smaller and there are less books to read.

I see it as a chance however, when noone bothers too read stuff, reading books become a powerfull weapon of knowledge.

thorgal · 30th November 2007, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke

for presentations it's all nice, but I absolutely hate the fact that University professors starting using powerpoint for their lessons and just printing out these no-info holding PP books and call them "study guides"; really very very lame

Agree, on the other hand they can be an asset when trying to remember what exactly was said when I was talking with my fellow students

jmke · 30th November 2007, 16:10

those points can easily be put in a proper study guide

Sidney · 30th November 2007, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rutar

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/28/we...rtner=USERLAND

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...worth.ibm.html

"[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]Gerstner recognized that all this pointless ceremony was crippling IBM. One of the first things he did was to convene his top 20 executives and tell them all to write a short paper, with no visuals, answering these questions: What is your business? Who are your customers? What is your marketplace? What are your strengths and weaknesses? Who are your main competitors? He told them to get it done in two weeks, and that he would meet with each of them one-on-one shortly afterward to discuss it. [/FONT] [FONT=times new roman, times, serif]That may sound pretty reasonable to an outsider. At IBM, it was revolutionary. "People weren't used to writing in sentences," recalls Jim McGroddy. When he met with Gerstner, "it was just the two of us standing at a table. No projector." The meeting went well; McGroddy convinced the new boss that he was willing to help the company change. Others, however, tried to bring out the foils, and "Gerstner jumped all over them," says McGroddy. According to IBM lore, Gerstner actually walked up to the projector at one meeting, turned it off, and told the exec, "If you can't explain it to me in your own words, you don't understand it." Before long the foils were gone. With them went all the old rituals that had made meetings such a waste of time."[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman, times, serif]it is very close to the "write articles, not blogs" text
[/FONT]

Let's separate the two different things here; written language skill is not necessary the same as presentation skill. Certainly you don't use PPT to write a book; MSOffice has PPT, Word, Excel and Access.

30th November 2007, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney

Let's separate the two different things here; written language skill is not necessary the same as presentation skill. Certainly you don't use PPT to write a book; MSOffice has PPT, Word, Excel and Access.

the problem is, people are doing exactly that

replacing books or detailed reports with powerpoint presentations

Sidney · 30th November 2007, 17:10

People= professors?

In College professors only care for the essence, it is up to the students to dig into the detail and search for the sources and supports.

Unfortunately, this has been the same over the last 40 years, back to the days I was attending school.

However, college is to train students the ways to look for answers which don't come to you.

30th November 2007, 14:11	#11
Kougar Posts: n/a	IBM very much uses powerpoints... they don't rely solely on them though, and neither does Intel. Would agree with the general point made with the first article though, its a very common problem. Last edited by Kougar : 30th November 2007 at 14:14.

30th November 2007, 15:03	#13
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	for presentations it's all nice, but I absolutely hate the fact that University professors starting using powerpoint for their lessons and just printing out these no-info holding PP books and call them "study guides"; really very very lame __________________

30th November 2007, 16:10	#16
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	those points can easily be put in a proper study guide __________________

30th November 2007, 17:10	#19
Sidney Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 15,738	People= professors? In College professors only care for the essence, it is up to the students to dig into the detail and search for the sources and supports. Unfortunately, this has been the same over the last 40 years, back to the days I was attending school. However, college is to train students the ways to look for answers which don't come to you. __________________ lazyman Opteron 165 (2) @2.85 1.42 vcore AMD Stock HSF + Chill Vent II

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30th November 2007, 14:58	#12
Rutar Posts: n/a	It's a question whetere you use it for internal or external communication. Because most of the press is lazy, Powerpoint is good so they can copy and paste stuff. You can also not try to change a customer so you have to use powerpoint there as well.

30th November 2007, 15:12	#14
Rutar Posts: n/a	Indeed, it seems that the powepoint part of our readers get bigger and bigger while the article part becomes smaller and there are less books to read. I see it as a chance however, when noone bothers too read stuff, reading books become a powerfull weapon of knowledge.