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Lino 12th September 2007 10:26

power requirement for Q6600 rig?
 
Hi,
I assembled a Q6600 G0 + Gigabyte P35-DQ6 + Gigabyte 8600GTS Silent + 1 stick of Crucial PC6400 Ballistix, coupled with a (nominal) 370W PSU (170w on +3.3/+5v, 192W on +12V). No dirves whatoever, just the minimal config to test power on.

When switching on, only the fan in the PSU and the leds on the DDR2 confirm that power is flowing.

Is the PSU inadequate? If yes what would be the minimal requirement?

Thank you

jmke 12th September 2007 10:30

Do you have a 24-pin native connector and 8-pin EATX power connector on that 370W PSU?

Lino 12th September 2007 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke (Post 155485)
Do you have a 24-pin native connector and 8-pin EATX power connector on that 370W PSU?

an 8-pin EATX power connector? What is that? It's a standard, vanilla PSU

There is a 20+4 power connector and the usual complement of connectors for drives.

Now that you mention there is a strange (for the location) male power 4 pins as in hard disks soldered on the MB (yes!).

I'd better read carefully the manual :D

Lino 12th September 2007 11:31

looking at the manual (first time) I noticed that there seems to be two extra power (?) connectors :wow: compared to "normal" ATX MB I've met, but no EATX.

A 8 pins connector marked "[FONT=ArialNarrow]ATX_12V_2X" and the aforementioned 4 pins "hard disk" male connector marked [FONT=ArialNarrow]"PCIE_12V" :?? [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=ArialNarrow][FONT=ArialNarrow]For sure I have not connected the 4 pins connector, as for the other, is it necessary?[/FONT][/FONT]

Lino 12th September 2007 13:38

I think I found the culprit: the PSU. In the manual it's marked that it won't boot if the 2x4 12v plug is not connected and that they recommend at least a 400W PSU... :eek:

Another 135 euro disappearing for a Fortron Epsilon 700W...:no:

jmke 12th September 2007 15:14

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EATX 8-pin on the left, 24-pin ATX on the right



Most modern Intel motherboards require those to be connected before the system will work correctly.

You don't need 700W, 500W will do, look into Seasonic models for good efficiency rating

Rutar 12th September 2007 16:52

depends, with a strong GPU and the Q6600 overclocked 700W would be appropriate


and you can't tell me a G0 Q6600 with the DQ isn't there to get overclocked a lot

geoffrey 12th September 2007 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rutar (Post 155510)
depends, with a strong GPU and the Q6600 overclocked 700W would be appropriate


and you can't tell me a G0 Q6600 with the DQ isn't there to get overclocked a lot

Just a reminder, most games use only 1 or 2 cpu cores, and IE, Firefox, Word, Powerpoint.... isn't really stressing the CPU, you can have all of that openend in a dual core setup without pushing the Quad Core CPU to 100% load. This means that in almost every case you will either heavy load the CPU, or the videocard, but not both at the same time.

Besides that, from experience I know that a Q6700 @ 4,8GHz with dual HD2900XT pulled around 700W with few synthetic software programs running at the same time, with normal air cooling and a single 8600 you won't come even near those results, 500W should really do it.

Sidney 12th September 2007 18:06

Even in heavy use of 3D CAD system of multi million $ project, Quad core is loading less than 50% usage. It is purely a waste of equipment resource simply to play a computer game once a week. Unless, you play it so well, but when you do; game is over in hours. :)

jmke 12th September 2007 18:08

AutoCad does use all the CPU resources, ask Thorgal;)

Sidney 12th September 2007 18:31

Not entirely :)
Inventor 5, I have not used it for two years.:D
The more RAM the better.


jmke 12th September 2007 20:02

then why does Thorgal need Dual Xeon setup? makes me wonder:p

anyway, you are right Sidney

Quote:

We have just received our new machines which have (2) dual core Xeon processors, this makes for 8 logical processors. My thoughts are that the extra processors do not make much difference when using AutoCAD other than if you are using several different applications running simultaneously. For example: If I pull up the windows task manager while running a command that causes high processor usage, the "acad.exe" application tops out at 13% processor usage (100% divided by 8 processors = 13%) which equates to 100% processor usage for one logical processor and the performance tab shows only one processor in use.
http://discussion.autodesk.com/threa...hreadID=523760

piotke 12th September 2007 20:33

Don't think Thorgal has the octa core setup for AutoCad, but other specific design software.

geoffrey 12th September 2007 20:47

3D rendering software like 3DS Max should like it :) Cinema 4D is another good example.

Sidney 12th September 2007 20:51

Ram is key to 3D .... too bad 32-bit max out at 3.5G and 64-bit is limited by drivers. Open GL card will make the work heck alot more fluid, like you said in any game play.:)

Lino 12th September 2007 21:23

a PC parts vendor told me that I'd need at least a 600W PSU to stay safe (he said that just my 8600GTS alone pulls 125W).

I prefer having an oversized PSU, to avoid instability (vdrop/amps) and have leeway should I need more juice (adding more drives/memory, OC a bit etc etc).

I think (?) that running a PSU well under its nominal max power should make it run cooler (possibly less noisy as well?), safer and perhaps longer lasting than one closer to max spec

Sidney 12th September 2007 21:33

A smart PC part vendor will tell you to get 1KW :)

jmke 12th September 2007 21:33

Your 8600GTS will consume nowhere near 125W, rather 100W or less.
Most PSU have best efficiency at 70-80% load FYI :)

Lino 13th September 2007 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney (Post 155545)
A smart PC part vendor will tell you to get 1KW :)

he had nothing to sell, all his 500W+ PSU were sold out :eek: and now I'm stuck until next week :weee:

geoffrey 13th September 2007 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney (Post 155539)
Ram is key to 3D .... too bad 32-bit max out at 3.5G and 64-bit is limited by drivers. Open GL card will make the work heck alot more fluid, like you said in any game play.:)

I was talking about the rendering part which is mainly done by server parks.

Sidney 13th September 2007 17:52

Rendering part ..... ?






jmke 13th September 2007 18:00

I think he's referring to 3DMax:)

Sidney 13th September 2007 18:12

Couldn't afford the licence fee yet. :)
The Autodesk Inventor and CAD already cost too much.:D Limited to less than 1% of 1% of heavy duty users.

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet...&siteID=123112

geoffrey 13th September 2007 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney (Post 155615)
Couldn't afford the licence fee yet. :)
The Autodesk Inventor and CAD already cost too much.:D Limited to less than 1% of 1% of heavy duty users.

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet...&siteID=123112

That's why I mentioned Cinema 4D,
"CINEBENCH is a free and useful benchmarking solution for Windows and Mac OS based on the powerful 3D software CINEMA 4D".

The rendering part in Cinebench is much like the rendering engine from 3DS Max. Well, alteast it does look familiar, I'm no pro though :)


If you want, you can get a 3DS Max 30-day trial: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet...&siteID=123112
Had some fun with it in the past, but that's way off-topic anyway :p

Wrigleyvillain 24th October 2007 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidney (Post 155519)
Even in heavy use of 3D CAD system of multi million $ project, Quad core is loading less than 50% usage. It is purely a waste of equipment resource simply to play a computer game once a week. Unless, you play it so well, but when you do; game is over in hours. :)

But...but...quad gives me almost 2000 more points in 3Dmark 06! ;-)

Sidney 24th October 2007 22:44

Good for the Cubbies :)

maher 16th December 2007 13:39

Sorry what I'am late but 370W on this computer come on at least take some corsair 550>> VX/HX


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