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Gamer · 7th October 2003, 21:09

I must agree, AMD made a good proc, it has a great core, overclocks good (not great), but didn't for fill the expectations that people expected of it.

For the time being, Intel is still the fastest proc on the market, not cheap but performs- overclocks amazingly good.
Hypertrading doesn’t boost your system in games or benchmarks, but it’s the future in office use.

Ok, the Tbred is for the moment the best buy, for every overclocker, but if you need a good system that is future proof, you’ll need Intel.

What u guy’s forget is that only 0.01% of all computerusers overclock their system, so if the XP 1800+ is the best buy, do you know someone that will buy a 1466 mhz setup (system must last 3 years) when he can buy a 3 Ghz system that outperforms the XP setup by far and knowing it will last 3 years ?

RichBa5tard · 7th October 2003, 21:37

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Originally posted by Gamer
What u guy’s forget is that only 0.01% of all computerusers overclock their system, so if the XP 1800+ is the best buy, do you know someone that will buy a 1466 mhz setup (system must last 3 years) when he can buy a 3 Ghz system that outperforms the XP setup by far and knowing it will last 3 years ?

What other ppl tend to forget, is that many (if not most) home users only use their pc for office / internet and some mild gaming.

A 1733Mhz CPU (cheapest non overclocked amd) IS good enough, and still will be good enough in three years for these basic tasks.

For these basic tasks, I do not see a large difference between my 1Ghz P3, 2Ghz XP or 3Ghz P4.

Gamer · 7th October 2003, 21:48

why do people buy computers ?
indeed for office use, email an inet.
and for what else ?

games for the kids.

what's the first item that changes in the same year in premade setups?
the GFx5200-R9000.

these things are for the moment upgradeble at a much lower cost then a cpu change + the boost is hughe...

so what is the best buy now ?
a 1733 mhz setup or the 3 ghz setup .

ok, I know the change from AGP - PCI express will come, but AGP is still here for the time being.

7th October 2003, 21:49

Boot Time

8th October 2003, 15:24

i don't know of any P4 EE hitting 4.6ghz, i do know of an early sample A64FX hitting 2.8ghz stable with one prommy and of a northwood P4 hitting 4.44ghz with 2 prommy's (one used on the chipset). P4 EE also has less oc headroom than a plain woody, so i reckon it'd be highly unlikely to hit 4.6ghz with it (Liquid nitrogen cooling doesn't count).

I also don't think you will get 4ghz on air cooling with a p4, any proof of this? while you can get 2.4ghz on a barton with air cooling (you have to get the right core).

Regardless, if I had the money, I'd choose a64 over p4 right now. But since I don't, I'll take a cheap tbred anyday.

jmke · 8th October 2003, 15:26

3.6 on air will do for now for the P4

as long as everybody is happy with what they bought, everything is okay !

8th October 2003, 15:28

words of wisdom

7th October 2003, 21:09	#41
Gamer [M] Reviewer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,587	I must agree, AMD made a good proc, it has a great core, overclocks good (not great), but didn't for fill the expectations that people expected of it. For the time being, Intel is still the fastest proc on the market, not cheap but performs- overclocks amazingly good. Hypertrading doesn’t boost your system in games or benchmarks, but it’s the future in office use. Ok, the Tbred is for the moment the best buy, for every overclocker, but if you need a good system that is future proof, you’ll need Intel. What u guy’s forget is that only 0.01% of all computerusers overclock their system, so if the XP 1800+ is the best buy, do you know someone that will buy a 1466 mhz setup (system must last 3 years) when he can buy a 3 Ghz system that outperforms the XP setup by far and knowing it will last 3 years ? __________________

7th October 2003, 21:48	#43
Gamer [M] Reviewer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,587	why do people buy computers ? indeed for office use, email an inet. and for what else ? games for the kids. what's the first item that changes in the same year in premade setups? the GFx5200-R9000. these things are for the moment upgradeble at a much lower cost then a cpu change + the boost is hughe... so what is the best buy now ? a 1733 mhz setup or the 3 ghz setup . ok, I know the change from AGP - PCI express will come, but AGP is still here for the time being. __________________

8th October 2003, 15:26	#46
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	3.6 on air will do for now for the P4 as long as everybody is happy with what they bought, everything is okay ! __________________

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8th October 2003, 15:24	#45
HitenMitsurugi Posts: n/a	i don't know of any P4 EE hitting 4.6ghz, i do know of an early sample A64FX hitting 2.8ghz stable with one prommy and of a northwood P4 hitting 4.44ghz with 2 prommy's (one used on the chipset). P4 EE also has less oc headroom than a plain woody, so i reckon it'd be highly unlikely to hit 4.6ghz with it (Liquid nitrogen cooling doesn't count). I also don't think you will get 4ghz on air cooling with a p4, any proof of this? while you can get 2.4ghz on a barton with air cooling (you have to get the right core). Regardless, if I had the money, I'd choose a64 over p4 right now. But since I don't, I'll take a cheap tbred anyday.

8th October 2003, 15:28	#47
HitenMitsurugi Posts: n/a	words of wisdom