Nvidia Cheats in 3Dmark2003?

A-star · 15th May 2003, 08:16

You have to read this article:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1086025,00.asp

Apparently Nvidia changed things in their drivers so they score better in 3Dmark2003.

Read the article for more information

jmke · 15th May 2003, 08:38

did this not already happen with the 5800 ? When nVidia released 3dmark03 specific drivers?

if the quality stays as it should this time around, there is no problem.. otherwise :/

3dmark03 aint a very respresentable benchmark anyway when it comes down to measuring real gameplay speed...

A-star · 15th May 2003, 08:52

I know,

but it is used by a lot of normal users who only look at this benchmark to make their decision of which card they are going to buy.

So in that way they are indeed cheating.

The rest of us, are also using other benchmarks, so for them it's not a big deal.

jmke · 15th May 2003, 10:34

pretty much sums it up:

Quote:

nVidia is not currently a member of FutureMark's beta program, it does not have access to the developer version of 3DMark2003 that we used to uncover these issues.

16th May 2003, 17:40

But is it possible to find a solution against cheating like nVidia did?
How to test/bench the real power of a GPU?

Moving the camera around @ random could prevent what nVidia did, but maybe those "@random" flights can give other results in the end..

jmke · 16th May 2003, 17:45

just use game as a benchmark
you start up a round of Q3A / UT2003 , record a demo & then timedemo it on every card, should give you quite accurate results

16th May 2003, 19:36

But then again, when you want to use a standard demo/flyby (each time the same path) , you give the opportunity to tweak the drivers so they make the card look better.

In some way there has to be a standard bench (a game might be a good idea), but with a certain amount of "coincidence" so the manufacturer can't predict what his card will have to show (in comparison with 3Dmark200* )

jmke · 16th May 2003, 23:16

Quote:

Originally posted by Dial_Up
But then again, when you want to use a standard demo/flyby

"you start up a round of Q3A / UT2003 , record a demo "

this is random, always

19th May 2003, 19:20

I believe this is the source of the dispute; http://inquirerinside.com/?article=8498

jmke · 19th May 2003, 20:05

yep it seems futuremark & nvidia are no best buds

15th May 2003, 08:16	#1
A-star Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 596	Nvidia Cheats in 3Dmark2003? You have to read this article: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1086025,00.asp Apparently Nvidia changed things in their drivers so they score better in 3Dmark2003. Read the article for more information

15th May 2003, 08:38	#2
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	did this not already happen with the 5800 ? When nVidia released 3dmark03 specific drivers? if the quality stays as it should this time around, there is no problem.. otherwise :/ 3dmark03 aint a very respresentable benchmark anyway when it comes down to measuring real gameplay speed... __________________

16th May 2003, 17:45	#6
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	just use game as a benchmark you start up a round of Q3A / UT2003 , record a demo & then timedemo it on every card, should give you quite accurate results __________________

19th May 2003, 20:05	#10
jmke Madshrimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: 7090/Belgium Posts: 79,021	yep it seems futuremark & nvidia are no best buds __________________

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15th May 2003, 08:52	#3
A-star Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 596	I know, but it is used by a lot of normal users who only look at this benchmark to make their decision of which card they are going to buy. So in that way they are indeed cheating. The rest of us, are also using other benchmarks, so for them it's not a big deal.

16th May 2003, 17:40	#5
Dial_Up Posts: n/a	But is it possible to find a solution against cheating like nVidia did? How to test/bench the real power of a GPU? Moving the camera around @ random could prevent what nVidia did, but maybe those "@random" flights can give other results in the end..

16th May 2003, 19:36	#7
Dial_Up Posts: n/a	But then again, when you want to use a standard demo/flyby (each time the same path) , you give the opportunity to tweak the drivers so they make the card look better. In some way there has to be a standard bench (a game might be a good idea), but with a certain amount of "coincidence" so the manufacturer can't predict what his card will have to show (in comparison with 3Dmark200* )

19th May 2003, 19:20	#9
Liquid3D Posts: n/a	I believe this is the source of the dispute; http://inquirerinside.com/?article=8498