Manufacturer roadmaps to keep in mind when building a new PC I've been looking around to buy a new computer somewhere this year. Once upon a time, I could've rambled off the best price/quality build without thinking about it, but I've been letting myself slide on the hardware front (work keeps me more than busy enough). :) The main question is if there are any releases planned which would be useful to keep in mind when building a new gaming rig this year (pref this summer)? I know Intel will release a new/updated chipset in Q2 2011, so maybe that's worth waiting for? I don't think there's any earth shattering CPU releases, though, but the newly announced chipset seems 'enthousiast'-friendly. Are there any Nvidia or ATI/AMD gfx releases that I should keep track of? As for those who want to comment on the rig itself, I really haven't settled on much, so tips are welcome: CPU: Biased towards Intel. CPU cooler: No bias, but pref something that runs quiet that can also dish out solid cooling when needed (rheo). Probably some Zalman model. Mobo: No bias at all, but likely one with the new Intel chipset? RAM: 12 or 16 GB RAM, no specifics in mind. GFX: No bias, but I see no use in going for SLI or Crossfire from the start. Something that's not very loud when idle would be nice, but needs some gaming horsepower. SSD: 120-128Gb SSD probably, maybe something like the Intel 320/510 or OCZ Vertex 3? Or Revodrive once they finally support TRIM (v 3). HDD storage: 2x 2Tb (RAID 1) or 4x 1Tb disks (RAID 10 or 2x1 + 2x1) for redudant storage. Pref 24/7 certified disks that aren't too loud, probably WD or Seagate, I guess. Optical drives: Doesn't matter much, we'll see about that later. Case: I have a Chieftec CH-01B-B-SL that I'm looking to trade for something better (quieter?). Fractal Design seems to have some interesting cases (the XL would probably be overkill, but Define R3 seems nice). Alternatives are welcome. The bigger the fans (low noise, manual speed control) & the more sound dampening the better (while still being gaming performance setup compatible ofc). The less attentionwhore crap and lights the better. ;) Fan controller: I'll probably need something flat? The Fractal Design cases (and many others) are not compatible with rheos that have knobs, door simply won't close... A bit of a design oversight if you ask me. The Chieftec can handle my sunbeam rheo just fine. Again, a fan controller with as little bling bling as possible is preferred, but it requires sufficient independent channels (with capability to handle multiple fans on the same channel). PSU: No bias, but pref something that runs quiet while still suited for hot environments (LANs etc). Absolutely no use for bling bling on the PSU. Bonus points for high efficiency and good wire management. Soundcard: I still have an Audigy (on PCI), but it's old. I presume current chipsets will give similar quality. Probably no longer useful to have a discrete soundcard? OS: Win 7 Prof UK? Budget is somewhere between 1300-1700 euros, maybe more if something is really worth considering. PS: Do PCI-E SSDs like the Revodrive (PCI-E 4x) endanger response times on modern GFX cards (PCI-E 8x - 16x) since they share the bus? Is there any practical performance hit on that front? |
at the upper high end, Intel will release new CPU and socket, as S1366 is EOF CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 2 with correct socket mounting, extremely good price/performance balance; SSD: Intel 128gb is best buy according to Anandtech PCIe drives don't impact GFX performance as far as I know? 16 lane slot (each direction): v1.x: 4 GB/s (32 Gbit/s) v2.x: 8 GB/s (64 Gbit/s) v3.0: 16 GB/s (128 Gbit/s) PCIe SSD can reach 1.6GB ? V2 has 8gb, latest 16Gb/s! |
You could also stick with the just released Intel Z68 chipset which is an upgrade for the LGA 1155 socket, LGA1156 is also EOF. For LGA1155 we have Intel 2600k, a quadcore unlocked processor priced ~270. The non-K version safes you aprox. 50€. |
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Compatibility: Intel®: Socket 478 Socket T / LGA775 Socket LGA1366 AMD®: Socket 754 Socket 939 Socket AM2 Socket AM2+ Socket AM3 Socket 940 The Mugen 3 does have 1155/1156 compatibility though, but can't find it in stores yet (it also has one less heatpipe, though it's unclear if any performance is lost). What's a good thermal paste nowadays? Still got a bunch of old stuff lying around, but I don't trust it anymore (years & years old). New stuff only costs 5 euros or something, so there's no reason to skimp on that. Quote:
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That said, it might differ from mobo to mobo & from gfx setup to gfx setup. I read that the lower class Z68 designs might run into PCI-E congestion in extreme situations (Asrock gets around it by adding a discrete PCI-E controller etc). Quote:
The on board graphics are nice to have for when the discrete card breaks. But other than that? I doubt I need it. Ironically though, the top of the line P67 are pretty damn near identical in price to the normal Z68 boards... Anyhow, I did a quick configuration check @ alternate.de (since stuff tends to be cheaper in Germany): CPU Intel i7-2600K (socket 1155) = 260 CPU cooler Scythe Mugen 2 Rev.B SCMG-2100 (compatibility issue?) = 35 Mobo ASUS P8P67 Deluxe R.3.0 = 205 RAM Corsair DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9, Vengeance = 160 GFX MSI N570GTX-M2D12D5 OC = 269 PSU Antec TruePower Quattro 850 = 113 Case (Tower) Fractal Design Define R3 Titanium Grey = 88 DVD-RW LiteOn iHAS624 = 26 SSD Intel® 510 Series 2,5" SSD 120 GB, SATA 600, SSDSC2MH120A2K5, MLC-Chips = 223 HDD x2 (raid 1) Hitachi HDS723020BLA642 2 TB, SATA 600, Deskstar 7K3000, 24/7 = 170 OS Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit UK (OEM)= 118 Delivery = 25 + general expected overhead = 33 Comes to a total of 1725 euros not including: fan controller, additional fans & rubber mounts for noise cancelation RAM, GFX & PSU taken to reflect price point rather than specific model (TBD). If I buy local (alternate.be used for reference), I get to about 1830 euros for the same hardware (give or take a few). This comes to slightly over the budget I had in mind, so comments & tweaks are very welcome. :) |
Z68 = P67 + H67: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4330/asus-p8z68v-review/8 You can skip on the features you don't need. X68 is indeed steep. 16GB RAM, that's huge, I'm still kind of surprised to see 12gb kits around and I'm not overly conviced with its usage for home computers, even for workstations I find it a lot! But it seems there is market for such kits, and if the use can justify the price for you, well there you go :) The psu, @ 850 watt might be slightly over the top. Okay it gives you some headroom but unless you're using CF/SLI videocards you won't even come close to 500~600W. Doesn't safe you much money, but it's something. Regarding the coolprut, maybe you get some with your heatsink. Otherwise, coolprut hasn't really changed since 10y ago, now that the impact of an overclocked cpu means significantly less than 10y ago I really see no reason to go for special flavor cooling paste other than personal matters :) |
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Still need to research the RAM for best fix (be it 12Gb with hopefully lower latency or 16Gb) and will eventually probably go with a PSU that does good cable management but is also as quiet as possible at that price point. Any suggestions are welcome. :) Quote:
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With some research and some back & forthing, turns out that:
Asus P8P67 DELUXE <R.3.0> Intel Core i7-2600K Noctua NH-U12P SE2 Corsair 16GB 1600-999 XMS MSI N570GTX-M2D12D5 OC Fractal Design Define R3 Titan. Grey ATX OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W 2x be quiet! Silent Wings USC 140x140x25 NesteQ MaxZero LiteOn iHAS624 Intel 510 series 120GB 2x Hitachi 2TB HDS723020BLA642 7K3000 MS Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1 UK OEM Comes in at 1800 euros incl shipping to Belgium etc. Alternate.be: Asus P8P67 DELUXE rev 3.0 Intel Core i7-2600K Noctua NH-U12P SE2 Kingston 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit MSI N570GTX-M2D12D5 OC Fractal Design Define R3 Titan. Grey ATX OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W 2x be quiet! Silent Wings USC 140x140x25 NesteQ MaxZero LiteOn iHAS624 OCZ Vertex 3 120Gb 2x Hitachi 2TB HDS723020BLA642 7K3000 MS Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1 UK OEM Comes in at 1839 euros without shipping (might pick it up myself). Not really worth bothering with german shops in that case... A lot harder to return stuff to when it breaks. Still, I'm not quite happy with it yet:
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Azerty.nl: Asus P8P67 DELUXE rev 3.0 Intel Core i7-2600K Noctua NH-U12P SE2 Kingston HyperX 16 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit MSI N570GTX-M2D12D5 OC Fractal Design Define R3 Titan. Grey ATX OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W 2x be quiet! Silent Wings USC 140x140x25 LiteOn iHAS624 Intel 510 series 120GB 2x Hitachi 2TB HDS723020BLA642 7K3000 MS Windows 7 Professional 64bit SP1 UK OEM Total 1780 euros, incl delivery, but without fan controller. Doesn't really seem worth the hassle either... |
we're awaiting the benchmarks :) |
wondering why you consider 16Gb in a desktop... how many VMs do you plan to run? ;) |
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