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piotke · 6th November 2005, 12:21

electrolyse is at room pressure I thought ?

DUR0N · 6th November 2005, 12:57

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Originally posted by BlackRabbit
The molecules themselves.

Sure, just add current. One of the basic in-class examples of electrolysis.

BlackRabbit · 6th November 2005, 15:27

In case of electrolyse, you also have to add (eg) HCl btw.

It's even much simpeler: just add salt

Sidney · 6th November 2005, 16:01

2 NaCl + 2 H2O => Cl2 + H2 + 2 NaOH
Sodium Chloride + water => Chlorine + hygrogen + Sodium Hydroxide

You now have your hydrogen gas.

No more chemistry lesson

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a H2-O2 mixture is quite the recipy for disaster

That is hydrogen Per-Oxide - very safe

clean your wounds instead of licking them

FreeStyler · 6th November 2005, 18:18

H2 hydrogen gas and O2 oxygen gas.
NOT H2O2 wich is indeed a desinfectant

NaCl does NOT break down water (doesn't even come close to having enough energy).
Again thank god, cause every time you'ld cook something in salt warer, not only will you blow your house up with the H2gas, you'll also suffocate because of the Cl2 gas (the WW1 musterd gas if I recall correctly)
When dissolving in water NaCl just creates Na+ and CL- ions that "float" around in the water because of the high polarity in water molecules.
In fact, NaCl can be created along with water:
NaOH + HCl --> NaCl + H2O
Again a very potent reaction, that will shift entirely to the right phase. And to be entirely correct, the NaCl will be ionized in the water solution.

And you don't need extra's to electrolise water, otherwise you'll be splitting the salt components in the water too. Even in 100% pure water there are small amounts of H30+ and OH- ions.

Sidney · 7th November 2005, 01:00

Google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

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Chlorine is manufactured industrially as a by-product in the manufacture of Caustic Soda by the electrolysis of brine.
2 NaCl + 2 H2O ==> Cl2 + H2 + 2 NaOH
This process was carried out in Kellner-Solvay Cells, using Mercury and Carbon as the electrodes. However, due to the toxicity of mercury, the modern version of the process uses metal electrodes with special membranes in the electrolytic cells.

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the NaCl will be ionized in the water solution.

Water softener.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question99.htm

8th November 2005, 20:16

Lazyman, if you don't know anything about chemistry, then please just keep out of this. Everything you have said is absolute nonsense.

Sidney · 8th November 2005, 20:20

I did not realize you have the ability to keep me out from the post I started. How are you going to do that??

May be your Dad could teach you some manner.

Provide proof -

Zwaplat, A 19 year-old student; care to share what you are majoring in University and classes you have taken in High School?

Sidney · 8th November 2005, 20:29

Zwaplat,

Hey, if you started insulting people. Get youself ready. I'm always here.

Okay, since you are right there and did not rely. I am not a Chemistry major. Here is my format education.

4 years chemistry in High School
2 Year Industrial Chemistry in Hong Kong Technical College; I did not graduate.

I worked with my kid who graudated from Purdue University with BIO-Chem and Food Processing Engineering degrees; together we worked on a project using vegetable oil to process crayon (biodegradable) and won the invention award from Indiana State.

I don't know much about Chemistry; I do know the basic.

Now, tell me what you have.

jmke · 8th November 2005, 20:33

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Originally posted by lazyman
I did not realize you have the ability to keep me out from the post I started.

yes that's a kicker

Zwaplat: put your money where your mouth is! What "nonesense" is said here and why?

6th November 2005, 12:21	#21
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6th November 2005, 18:18	#25
FreeStyler Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Antwerp Posts: 1,186	H2 hydrogen gas and O2 oxygen gas. NOT H2O2 wich is indeed a desinfectant NaCl does NOT break down water (doesn't even come close to having enough energy). Again thank god, cause every time you'ld cook something in salt warer, not only will you blow your house up with the H2gas, you'll also suffocate because of the Cl2 gas (the WW1 musterd gas if I recall correctly) When dissolving in water NaCl just creates Na+ and CL- ions that "float" around in the water because of the high polarity in water molecules. In fact, NaCl can be created along with water: NaOH + HCl --> NaCl + H2O Again a very potent reaction, that will shift entirely to the right phase. And to be entirely correct, the NaCl will be ionized in the water solution. And you don't need extra's to electrolise water, otherwise you'll be splitting the salt components in the water too. Even in 100% pure water there are small amounts of H30+ and OH- ions. __________________ Put brain in gear BEFORE engaging mouth.

8th November 2005, 20:20	#28
Sidney [M] Reviewer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 15,739	I did not realize you have the ability to keep me out from the post I started. How are you going to do that?? May be your Dad could teach you some manner. Provide proof - Zwaplat, A 19 year-old student; care to share what you are majoring in University and classes you have taken in High School? __________________ lazyman Opteron 165 (2) @2.85 1.42 vcore AMD Stock HSF + Chill Vent II

8th November 2005, 20:29	#29
Sidney [M] Reviewer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 15,739	Zwaplat, Hey, if you started insulting people. Get youself ready. I'm always here. Okay, since you are right there and did not rely. I am not a Chemistry major. Here is my format education. 4 years chemistry in High School 2 Year Industrial Chemistry in Hong Kong Technical College; I did not graduate. I worked with my kid who graudated from Purdue University with BIO-Chem and Food Processing Engineering degrees; together we worked on a project using vegetable oil to process crayon (biodegradable) and won the invention award from Indiana State. I don't know much about Chemistry; I do know the basic. Now, tell me what you have. __________________ lazyman Opteron 165 (2) @2.85 1.42 vcore AMD Stock HSF + Chill Vent II

8th November 2005, 20:16	#27
Zwaplat Posts: n/a	Lazyman, if you don't know anything about chemistry, then please just keep out of this. Everything you have said is absolute nonsense.

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