jmke

have you ever driven a Golf IV or V Jakkerd? TDI 90-150pk?

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jakkerd

yes
as i said, not that they're bad cars, they are just too 'sterile' for me
i don't really like the business feel of a car
and although a 150hp golf is pretty fast, it still drives like a small business car
it's kinda hard too explain, i hope u get my point

jmke

I don't get your point, explain what a "business car" drives like please?

I've driven with an Alpha 147 also and did not like it AT ALL compared to Golf IV; the interior is amateuristic at best of the Alfa, the steering simply sucks, the gear stick feels like it will brake of any minute.

Golf has nice oversteer and a beefy engine, even at 90pk it's quite fast and sporty.

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Bosw8er

From Top Gear :

An Alfa Romeo is bought :
- when you have carefully considered all the pros and cons
- and you consider the Golf to be the best choice. A bit dull, but objectively the best car given a certain budget
- and on your way to the Golf - garage ... you stop at the Alfa garage to have a one last glimpse at what you will supposedly be missing ... and buy the Alfa

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RichBa5tard

I drove Astar's Alfa 147 for 5 hours (Cebit 2004), and I wasn't really fond of it. It does have the best looks, but QC is poor and the cheapest diesel version was not fun to drive at all.

It 'll be a very hard choice between the Astra and the Golf. Much depends on which garage will give me the best conditions.

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jmke

Astra is uke:
I've driven with an Astra for 9 months and seeing it replaced with a Golf was like a gift send from heaven.

the fact that the Astra had 70pk and the Golf 150pk is not the only reason why I liked the change. the Astra was not good at cornering and no matter how new the tires were, I never felt safe when it was raining, sliding all over the place, much like with my current Citroen C3 uke:

they are currently RENTING the C3 on monthly basis, which costs about as much as LEASING an Audi A4; nice going!

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quarantaine

was it the new astra?
i drove the verry old one ('94) and now the newest one (which isn't 9 months on the market allready) and both were quite good.
cornering goes quite good (abs only "helped" me once, a bit too reckless :s)
looks are taste but irl its much more nicer.

cR00zIFI><3r

I would go for the astra...
for many reasons:
first: I think it looks great

second: the motor is powerfull enough (nyway the most powerfull of the 4)

third: I heard my 'garagist' say that you can break easily into some alfa romeo's. just give a firm punch on the door and the door is loose, and you don't want that to happen, do you?

fourth: I think 5 doors is better than 3 doors. It's much easier to get out the back with 5 doors (how logical)

fifth: the new opel motors (I thought the astra had the 'same' as the corsa) have a REALLY REALLY 'laag verbruik'

sixth: a golf is just a golf, there are 10000+ golfs in belgium (I don't know I'm just quessing), but the point is, you don't want to park your car in a underground parking and never find it again, because all cars are golfs + you pay alot more for the name

seventh: I don't like the looks of the audi.

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jmke

I've driven an older one; it sucked donkey balls, driven with one from '00 also and same sucky experience;

I would never consider Opel if you have VW or Audi as aditional choices, even Alfa is better then Opel

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