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kristos 6th March 2004 16:17

what can linux do for me
 
windows is getting on my nervs again so I wondered what linux could do for me since I have no expercience with it whatsoever.

main criteria would be it has to run ALL games
does msn messenger work? (seems unlikely but I'm no IRC'er so msn is my way atm)
how do progs work in general? all those usefull tools for pc monitoring and all, does that work on linux or is linux a bit like a mac meaning it requires it's own progs and everything? :/

piotke 6th March 2004 16:23

no linux runs all games.

games that require Direct X (and that are a lot of games) won't work. Only open GL games do (UT by example)

TeuS 6th March 2004 17:06

Re: what can linux do for me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kristos
main criteria would be it has to run ALL games
does msn messenger work? (seems unlikely but I'm no IRC'er so msn is my way atm)
how do progs work in general? all those usefull tools for pc monitoring and all, does that work on linux or is linux a bit like a mac meaning it requires it's own progs and everything? :/

- all games?
forget about it

- MSN
=> GAIM for example. there's another one, forgot the name, and it's pretty good too

- programs
=> yes, all programs are designed either for windows, either for linux. the program Wine (WineX) allows you to run windows programs from linux

FreeStyler 7th March 2004 12:26

Or in short, forget it.
Linux is an awesome server OS for the smaller things (gameservers and such)
and a very capable OS for desktop use. (browsing and office work)

BUT, it takes a lot of time getting used to when comming from windows. It a pain to install third party addonds (some people can't even install the OS) And runs only a fraction of the games available (great for office application :p)

TeuS 7th March 2004 12:44

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeStyler
It a pain to install third party addonds (some people can't even install the OS) And runs only a fraction of the games available (great for office application :p)
most linux distro's have a graphical install program, and it's just the same like installing windows. it's pretty hard to fail installing RH9/Suse/mandrake/...

installing apps isn't hard. read the M A N U A L, that's the rule of thumb under Linux. almost everything is documented.

either you install something with APT (like apt-get install mozilla), or you compile it yourself. the manual always describes how you have to do that. unzip it, ./configure, then use the 'make' command. except for dependencies (missing librairies), it's once again very hard to fail installing a program. if you even can't follow a manual then you shouldn't be working with linux at all

installing extra librairies isn't very hard either. once you've found the right package, install or upgrade the library. man rpm for instructions... I prefer APT though, it automatically installs required libraries

FreeStyler 7th March 2004 16:14

I haven't found any manual more usefull then toilet readings.

Also free downloadables rarely have a decent manual, looking for one in google means cutting trough about 500 sites of **** before finding the any key.

Linux just misses some good centralization. it's just too much details and no solid info.

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 16:29

Your accusations are only true for distro's like suse,redhat,mandrake,...

I get software installed much faster in linux than windows.

jmke 7th March 2004 16:44

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Originally posted by RichBa5tard
I get software installed much faster in linux than windows.
that's because you're a windows n00b ;)

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 17:00

hahaha

jmke 7th March 2004 17:04

no, seriously .. :)

if you know what and where to install it, installation of software on Windows is 3 times nothing. I don't have experience with linux, so I won't comment on that :)

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 17:11

Imagine you want to unrar something and you don't know where to get such an application.

Windows:
1. launch webbrowser
2. go to google.com
3. search for unrar download
4. open correct website
5. download the binarys
6. open the file in my computer
7. click next next next : )
8. doubeclick the rar file
9. close all advertising screens / trail warnings
10. click extract
11. close app & you're done

linux gentoo:
1. emerge -s rar (returns list of apps with rar in the title)
2. emerge unrar (downloads and installs unrar app)
3. unrar *.rar & you're done

jmke 7th March 2004 17:17

imagine you want to unblizop something and you don't where to get such an applications..

some procedure for both OS's

your example is only in favour of linux because linux has an unrar application on the HD..

bad example RB!

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 17:31

My appologies, I asumed you knew how emerge works.

If you run linux Gentoo, you have a small local database which holds information about nearly every existing application: what it is used for, how large it is, which other programs it depends on AND the list of mirrors where it can be downloaded.

When you type "emerge -s bla" it will search in your database for an app that has "bla" in it's description, and returns you a list (this takes about 5 seconds on an average computer). When you type "emerge bla" it will download the application from the internet (it will check your local disk first, in caser you already have a copy), and install it.

TeuS 7th March 2004 17:48

for Debian, RH and other distro's: APT works about the same, but it doesn't have a database

apt-cache search bla makes it search the server for bla.
apt-get install bla downloads and installs its, together with other required packages

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
apt-get distro-upgrade
==> automatically brings all packages up to date :super:

http://apt.freshrpms.net

YUM works about the same, but they say it handles the dependencies better

jmke 7th March 2004 17:49

Quote:

Originally posted by RichBa5tard
My appologies, I asumed you knew how emerge works..
Quote:

I don't have experience with linux, so I won't comment on that
:)

there's more soft. available for Windows then for Linux, so the list for Linux is shorter ;)

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 17:58

Quote:

Originally posted by jmke



:)

there's more soft. available for Windows then for Linux, so the list for Linux is shorter ;)

Risky statement, if you're referring to free software.

Gentoo lists +77500 applications available.

jmke 7th March 2004 18:03

http://www.download.com/ has over 100k Windows software afaik
http://www.tucows.com
... and so on :)

I'm not referring to free software btw.

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 18:20

Speaking for myself, i rather have a choice of 50k GPL-licenced software than 200k shareware/freeware/trailsoftware, and i think most (if not all) GNU users would agree with me.

jmke 7th March 2004 18:45

Quote:

Originally posted by RichBa5tard
GNU users would agree with me.
duh

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 19:35

Windows users would agree too, if they knew the difference.

Why do you think all my systems run Linux??? Because it's worse?? Because it's 'cool to be different'?! I've got legal xxx € Windows licences, yet I run a free Linux OS. Yes, I can't play most games, but everything else (coding, surfing, watching tv, office) works better or equal. As I sadly don't have much time for playing games anymore, i happely stick to linux. I can still play UT/Quake clones so it's not as bad as it sounds. : )

JMke, you're a bright person. You know your way around both hardware and software. I'm fairly confident that if you would spend 1 month learning linux Gentoo, you will keep running it on at least one of your systems (well, I know your a MSCE, so your case might be different).

jmke 7th March 2004 19:54

I gain nothing by learning linux atm and I don't have time to learn it either :/

I do gain something by sticking with M$ at this time though, being MCSE doesn't have much to do with it. Having to offer support to M$ products @ work does however.

I don't like the whole "tinkering" attitude of linux to get things running, sure it might be fun to have control over every piece of the OS and control/compile to your likings. But for someone who does not have the time to read up on all that, it is a pain in the *** :)

linux is good for a webserver or dedicated application server. Everything else.. not enough official support yet.

FreeStyler 7th March 2004 20:59

If you have someone setting it up, linux makes a GREAT office OS, using a local server and remote workstations.
But it's still lacking for users without time to spare.
It's a here and now world, not a here, then read some there, and again something WAAAY back there, and then it works (maybe) kinda world.

I love the apt program for debian. I found the installation very easy. but it's not windows. Trying to install a linux without an extra PC for googling is hopeless.
I know more people who cast of M$ in favor of unix. Good for them, I'll just have to play dungeon siege with someone else...

RichBa5tard 7th March 2004 21:39

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeStyler
Trying to install a linux without an extra PC for googling is hopeless.
Uhm, I hope you're talking about the very first linux install. : )

You can google while installing Gentoo fyi, if you don't mind a text based browser. ; )

FreeStyler 8th March 2004 12:04

Yea, that's if you know how to a) start it up, b) work with it.

It may be just as easy to teach a n00b linux (being preinstalled with a nice GUI) as it is to teach him windows.
But someone used to windows is totally lost in linux.

jmke 8th March 2004 12:04

someone used to DOS is semi-lost in linux ;)


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