ATI HD 5870 Benchmarks Hit The Web

Can't say I experienced any of those problems with my ATI card... that said, AMD's monthly driver updates put more emphasis on getting something out the door than actually making the update useful. Frequently beta drivers would be developed alongside the monthly drivers to fix game specific problems, but not introduced into the main ATI drivers until two or occasionally three releases later because the codebase had forked and required additional testing before being reintegrated.

Neither company is perfect, NVIDIA still occasionally has that shimmering sand/pixel effect in games... and they still have trouble with Company of Heroes... For a game that is "The way it's meant to be played" on NVIDIA hardware, I have never seen so many problems that took so long to be fixed, and some still aren't fixed at all. Very aggrevating as the original game has been on the market for three years.

i think u are more the Nvidia fan .

Well, AMD helped push monthly ATI driver updates, constantly fixing bugs reported;
don't see why it would be problematic with MMORPGs in particular...


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Well, I admit I am referring to the driver problems pre-AMD acquisition of ATI, but many games were known to crash, or get corrupted on ATI cards.

Quality of the games became with time less pleasant to the eye as well (filters not working completely like the nVidia ones, giving sometimes weird artifacts or felt weird/uncomfortable).

I guess the latest games will be the least troubled ones (F.E.A.R. 2, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Age of Empires III, Half Life 2 and 1, Red Faction Guerilla).

But my MMORPGs will probably suffer alot. I play atm following MMORPGs: Anarchy Online, Atlantica Online, Steam Online and might have missed one...

Like I said, good h/w is nice, but if the s/w fails, the h/w fails. But as my whole home is nVidia only, I can't see with my own eyes if AMD has gotten the Catalyst drivers to the Forceware levels (or better).

that is related to the Battleforge benchies of course, would not quote it otherwise

is that battleforge related ?

/anandtech

Well the only DX11 game ( battleforge ) shows big speed increase going from DX10.1 to 11... so hopefully all new games will run way faster with higher detail then the current generation... wait till the drivers settle to get these...

i think the same way leeghoofd.
it will be funny to see the kid's cry when they find out that it only get's the GTX295 in with 3/10 of some game's.

A bit dissapointed, I expected more domination, as the marketing guys claimed BIG improvements even with current games. Okay drivers need to mature, but the 5870 at the moment is NOT as good as it was advertised (a GTX 295 smasher). I hope the 5850 can live up to the hype they created...

I really hope for ATI them DX11 games are worth it...

tripwire
working on nice HD 5800 newspost with first benches

Protecting as in actively watching the house?

the doc has morphine-dipped darts protecting his house

Apart from the countless mugger SLASH gamers that will visit your house at night

wait for the HD 5870 X2, then you are safe

aha! maybe this will replace the 9800gx2!

what issues are you referring to? In the 15+ games I tried and tested for the video card comparison (http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=953 ) I've not encountered any issues specific to ATI hardware.

I've been using nVidia h/w for ages due to ATI not resolving issues with some of the games I play.

How is it nowadays?

Got a GTX 260 for a few months now, and not really eager to spend money on a new card right away, but wondering if it's interesting to switch from one brand to the other.

depends on where you live

By the way guys, launch is tomorrow, not today

I want a second opinion on that matter !!

maybe u should send me then , in a suite i look good .

Take the girlfriend with you ?

maybe wear some shorts and a fancy t-shirt ? but shave them arms and legs man !!

i doubt it

maybe we can get some ones at MSI headquarters this week ?

no [M] review in sight

launch tomorrow .

Latest performance chart shows minimal impact going from 4xAA to 8xAA in games



But I would rather see 0xAA vs 4xAA, visual difference between NoAA and 4xAA is very noticeable; between 4xAA and 8xAA... not so obvious, especially in faster games

I think the batmobile was cool! To bad it wasn't the real box art

not really, i've seen so many crazy pictures

the batmobile wasn't a give-away then?

wow that's some nice editing i can still read HD 4850 on the side ... and gddr3 is also a give away

:-)

one last chart, HD 5870 CF vs GTX 295 SLI

yes, in most games 4xAF comes for free with recent VGA cards, and small performance drop for 8/16xAF, only in HAWX it seems to be an issue for ATI

Ouch... so used to be AA killed ATI's performance... now it is AF?? Almost everyone uses 16AF, I wonder what is going on with this. Perhaps an early driver issue??

Edit: I spoke to soon, AF doesn't seem to be killing performance in that large performance chart, sounds more like a single game issue now.

Biased baby... but the cards look overal impressive, let the price wars begin...

same as the Czech gamer site; the HAWX results are also correct, without AF ATI does quite well there; but enable it and you lose 50% performance.
Looking forward to the HD 5870, fastest GPU and an impressive speed bump over the GTX 285, it even matches the 295 in some games/settings!
The HD 5850 will be priced $100 cheaper than GTX 285 but deliver same performance... ouch

Vantage numbers seem correct

product launch date:


src: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssage/32575777

The show continues with 3DMark Vantage results:

Tested on a Core i7 965 system with 6GB memory.

and then a comparo: Radeon HD 5870 vs Geforce GTX 295 and Radeon HD 5850 vs GTX 285

okidoki back with some more info

http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com

this would explain the chart and the numbers might be very real, but enabling AF kills performance of the HD 4890/4870X2 (and possibly HD 5870)

here another source with HAWX 1920x1200 4xAA/16xAF
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/g....W.X,1337.html
GTX 285: 58.90
HD 4890: 37.90
HD 4870X2: 63.90

I think that says it all

Well, the numbers for GTX 285 are about right, between 50-60fps at 1920x1200 4xAA/16xAF; numbers for HD 4870 X2 are too high, should be lower, also 50-60fps. Single HD 4890 sucks in HAWX... 28fps, in that chart it's faster than GTX 285...

source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._13.html#sect2

Those numbers can't be right; there must be something wrong with either the nvidia or ati results.

It's always like this: "next-gen owns current gen by doubling performance" ... never turns out to be the complete truth.

HAWX
GTX 285: 54
HD 5870 : 109
109/2 = 54.5 = more than double

yes the chart without the X axis starting at zero makes it a bit weird; it does show the GTX 285 is being outperformed in all the games listed, and more so when higher AA is enabeld.

the last two charts added above here ^ should give a more realistic view.
either way; it will be a close battle, if HD 5870 is $299 and GTX 285 remains at $299 also http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=Geforce+GTX+285

That graph is the most misleading I've seen in quite a while. Looks like 5870 would double or more the fps compared to 285, which clearly is NOT the case.

Thanks MM for the clarification.

"Someone calculated that the steps on the vertical axis are 20% (except for the first one which must be 100%). If AMD had chosen 5% for each step, the HD 5870 would have looked even more impressive. Good card. Stupid Graph."

Graph is LOL

Here are a few HIGH resolution pics of the HD 5870
some interesting comments on the pics:
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