Water-X CPU Water Cooler

@ 2003/03/12
I purchased a water x-cpu water cooler from 1COOLPC and installed on my amd 2100 athlon. I sometimes have a high room temperature that my computer has to operate in so I wanted some enhanced cooling and the water x looked like it might be a good answer. The water x appears to have been designed very professionally and looks to be built very well compared to other coolers I have tested. At this time I have only limited experience with the water x unit but it runs very quiet and holds temp very well. After only a week and one half of use my water-x had a major malfunction and had to be replaced. A-Pros Eddie Lin and 1COOLPCs Bart Lane came to my rescue in the toughest of situations standing behind the water-x cooler 200%. I was very impressed by the support service for the water-x cooler. In my opinion water-x, A-PRO, and 1COOLPC deserve awards for their customer service. I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x cooler or 1COOLPC or A-Pro. I am sure the replacement water-x unit will be just fine and I know their reps are very reliable and honest.
Comment from FreeStyler @ 2003/05/01
Hmm, I'm running zalman CNPS 7000 on a XP 1800+ @ 2600+ (12.5 * 166) and it's running exactly 31°C now.

That's a low noise cooler. What would happen if I went all the way on this one.

Off course, I have 5 Papst fans installed (7V) to keep casetemps cool. Case now running 21°C (and it's quite a bit colder in my room)


suddenly found out why it was so cool, Project X was uploading data, so the cruncher stopped.
....
It's 33 now, woohoo big difference.


anyway, something like the entire world thinks you either
a) suck
b) get paid to say (and most likely do) the most stupid things imaginable.

Now go get some [H]Ware and try again.
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/30
Originally posted by real.genius
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According to the thermalright representatives and the thermalright internet site the only choice for the asus a7v8x mother board is the slk800u and is the only product they recommend and assure me that will work on my asus motherboard. I can send you the thermalright email response if you are not able to find their web site.
they should fire him. we know the slk800u doesn't fit to good on an asus a7n8x, and their website mentions it i think.

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Actually in this forum, I have compared the water-x to 4 other cpu coolers finally comparing it to a thermalright cpu cooler to see if I could obtain that reported 30 c cpu temperatures if I would use a thermalright cooler. The 30c cpu temps were not reproducible in any tests I conducted. Perhaps I misunderstood earlier claims.
i, for myself, don't work with cases, to much hassle, so my 'casetemp' is 21°C right now. Most people here do use a case, but the VENTILATE it, so their casetemp comes in reach of the roomtemp (no biggie)

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And by the way, thermalright does not supply any installation directions with the products they ship, you have to get them from their web site and print them on your own equipment another expense. Water-x sent notes and alot of pictures with their unit even someone as stupid as me can understand pictures.
The slk 800 uses a clip mechanism (same mechanism as standard AMD coolers (boxed/coolermaster/whatever) if someone can't istall one of those without breaking something, he should get another hobby/job.

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Stupid could be defined as someone who blindly adheres to technology which clearly underperforms at great expense.
stupid = IQ<85 i believe. or was it 80?

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The data suggests that the high priced thermalright, water-x and taisol heat pipes dont really outperform the spire 3000 and dr. thermals which have similar performance and in some cases better than the higherpriced cpu coolers. And although thermal right makes big claims for there cpu cooler the data clearly demonstrates that real world performance lags far behind advertising and reported claims by others especially at higher room temperatures.
anyone who buy a new cpu cooler, and finds himself capable of installing it ( ) knows that you need to ventilate your case, airflow is important. So if your casetemp is 45°C or something like that, you're doing something wrong

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It looks like the only way you will get 30 c cpu temps with the slk800u is by refrigerating it or running the system in a freezer.
Airflow.

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What it really comes down to is HOT AIR...if you produce a lot of hot air then the more hot air you produce will cause higher temperatures of your thermalright or any other air cooler. I guess thats the same as hot air in, equals hotter air out. If the incoming air gets hot enough your air cpu cooler will destroy your cpu.
airflow?

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Suming up, thermalrights slk800u if a very high priced cpu cooler which performs very well in moderate room tempertures whose performance at higher room temperatures is no better than any other air cooler, so my data demonstrates.

Almost all hardware sites who reviewed it said it was the new king of heatsinks, overclockers would love it. And they are right.

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And who cares about the cpu temp drop down data from 100% load to 2% load, you should, it is an indication that the heat sink is actually cooling instead of just a massive piece of heat resivour. Some of the heatsinks I tested actually drop 7c very quickly indicating very high cooling efficency which can save and extend the life of any cpu. There is really no reason to raise the cpu temps during 100% load and not to restore them to the starting 2% begining test temperature.
CPU cool = me happy. Don't care if it absorbs the heat rather than disposing it to the surrounding air. As long as the CPU is cool.

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Really, its only necessary to present data and let the readers provide there own conclusions based on the data and information they are supplied with.
hey, don't believe us, we're just an independant hardware reviewing site. Ow right, its OUR job to show those data, not yours

cheers, DUR0N
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/30
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Originally posted by jmke
ps: your text is hard to read through, use some breaks/enters in them
read the article if you have doubts on how I got 30°C load temps.
the rest I will read when your text becomes readable... maybe

edit: update after your text adjustements thanks for that!

Well I do know the CPU output of the XP2100+ is almost equal to the AMD1400. But that's beside the point. you stated that it was the hottest and when one of our forum regulars corrected that you snapped back at him :/

What really started me up is the fact that no matter what evidence is provided, you find a way to turn around the words and play them out to make the water-x look good.

Honestly, if you want to compare apples with apples.. you should do so, instead of taking up the SLK800. AMD provides a nice standard heatsink with its boxed CPU (which most novice PC users will buy) and this heatsink will keep your CPU below the 60°C mark , in a closed case. Your CPU wont crash and your system runs silent (the fan is low profile: http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/20...d_2700_top.jpg and produces a good sound/performance ratio). this heatsink comes free with the CPU and performs on par with the water-x.

The water-x is flawed in several ways, the pump is placed right above the waterblock, creating friction and heating the place up :/, the waterflow is slow, there is not alot of water in there, the water passes through tubes through the small radiator, the fins on the radiator hardly do anything substantial.

they could have improved the whole system ALOT if they opted to include a PCI card which stores the pump and radiator/fan. That way the cpublock would be supplied by cool water. Check out Corsair micro latest release, they are aiming at this idea.

I'm testing the Aero7 now from Coolermaster, a silent okay solution for your XP setup, but these coolers (and the SLK800) are aimed at people who try to squeeze the most out of their PC. Performance over sound/easy of use. Its like the intel standard cooler, no need to change it unless you plan on overclocking your system!

I would like to thank you for the time you took to test the different things out with the water-x, the important thing is, that the customer is happy, you are happy with your product, so that's all that matters! We however are not the average bunch of PC users, and we dont target them either.

If you plan on overclocking your CPU you have to choose the SLK800, because the water-x can't handle the extra wattage :/

anywayz have fun with your water-x, lets hope they improve it soon, cause the idea itself has potentional, but it has to be designed "just right"
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/04/27
According to the thermalright representatives and the thermalright internet site the only choice for the asus a7v8x mother board is the slk800u and is the only product they recommend and assure me that will work on my asus motherboard. I can send you the thermalright email response if you are not able to find their web site.

Actually in this forum, I have compared the water-x to 4 other cpu coolers finally comparing it to a thermalright cpu cooler to see if I could obtain that reported 30 c cpu temperatures if I would use a thermalright cooler. The 30c cpu temps were not reproducible in any tests I conducted. Perhaps I misunderstood earlier claims.

And by the way, thermalright does not supply any installation directions with the products they ship, you have to get them from their web site and print them on your own equipment another expense. Water-x sent notes and alot of pictures with their unit even someone as stupid as me can understand pictures.

Stupid could be defined as someone who blindly adheres to technology which clearly underperforms at great expense. The data suggests that the high priced thermalright, water-x and taisol heat pipes dont really outperform the spire 3000 and dr. thermals which have similar performance and in some cases better than the higherpriced cpu coolers. And although thermal right makes big claims for there cpu cooler the data clearly demonstrates that real world performance lags far behind advertising and reported claims by others especially at higher room temperatures.

It looks like the only way you will get 30 c cpu temps with the slk800u is by refrigerating it or running the system in a freezer.

What it really comes down to is HOT AIR...if you produce a lot of hot air then the more hot air you produce will cause higher temperatures of your thermalright or any other air cooler. I guess thats the same as hot air in, equals hotter air out. If the incoming air gets hot enough your air cpu cooler will destroy your cpu.

Suming up, thermalrights slk800u if a very high priced cpu cooler which performs very well in moderate room tempertures whose performance at higher room temperatures is no better than any other air cooler, so my data demonstrates.

Further tests I have conducted actually yielded some surprising cooling results but they are top secret and will certainly be availiable in the near future on upcoming cpu cooler designs after I publish and release the data.

NASA has developed and is testing a new carbon cooling system which if it pans out in field (real world) tests should be availiable on most home planets soon for real cpu cooling.

72.1 watts to 72 watts is not a signifcant watt change, both are high watt outputs.

And who cares about the cpu temp drop down data from 100% load to 2% load, you should, it is an indication that the heat sink is actually cooling instead of just a massive piece of heat resivour. Some of the heatsinks I tested actually drop 7c very quickly indicating very high cooling efficency which can save and extend the life of any cpu. There is really no reason to raise the cpu temps during 100% load and not to restore them to the starting 2% begining test temperature.

Once a heat source is removed the cpu cooler temperature should return to lower levels the quicker the better it is for the cpu we dont need another way to heat up the cpu, it produces its own heat which the slk800u or whatever heat sink you are using is suppose to dissapate the heat not hold on to it.

So a heat sinks response to a changing cpu load is a very important measurement of heat sink cooling capabilitlies.

Well I think I have replied to all of the recent comments.

Really, its only necessary to present data and let the readers provide there own conclusions based on the data and information they are supplied with.

We really dont need to see repeated advertising hype from your favorite manufacturers we can all read there advertisement and product claims on there respective web sites.

I just provided comparative test data and information on water-x versus slk800u and as far as I know, I am the only person to provide this data on the internet.

I actually ran real world comparative tests on both units with a standard data baseline. I really did not make any conclusions just provided test data so I really dont feel personal attacks are waranted and certainly not well recieved.

And calling me stupid and a water-x reprensentative is just ridiculous.

Its just test data and observations on what goole.com calls a water-x forum.

I repeat, its just test data and observations draw your own conclusions based on the data not your alliances ,affiliations or psychic impressions.

Well I mounted a tornado fan on a slk800u and did not get less <30c cpu temp as a previous opinion stated. I got the following;

a 2100xp at 100% cpu load
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp

After months of test my slk800u typically runs as follows

2% cpu load idle
46c cpu/ 34c mb/ 28c air temp

As the air temperature goes up all air coolers run about the same regardless of price or brand.
Hot air is ....HOT AIR
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/26
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The slk800u install directions were vague and hard to follow with no description of what or how to use the fan holddown wires.
at least there ARE instructions, and they aren't that hard at all, I installed the SLK900U without problems using the instructions

the water-x has NO instructions, leaks, performs worse, has a loud fan and costs more.

the slk800 not U is a clip on that fits almost ALL motherboards.

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There are many cpu coolers on the market that give similar air cooling temps as the slk800u and most are cheaper and do not require through the mother board complex and time consuming mounting processes. Most clip on neatly and quickly
Similar: yes, but not better, always worse
SLK800 clips on. You chose wrong when ordering the U version..

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The xp2100 and xp2200 are the hottest running chips amd has made go check www.amd.com for manufacturing data
WRONG
you should check it out yourself, jeezus man

Athlon
1300 68.3 W
1333 69.8 W
1400 72.1 W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/23792.pdf

vs

AXP Tbred
1733 (2100+) 62.1 W
1800 (2200+) 67.9 W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/25175.pdf

AXP Palomino
2100+ 1733 72.0W
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/24309.pdf



you are real.stupid to try and prove something and end up making an ... of yourself.

Stop trying to sell this sucky water-x product and admit your loss.
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/04/26
In response to your comments, the slk800u has a massive plate to mount to the mother board unlike the slk800 but both exceed the weight limits of cpu coolers rec by amd. The xp2100 and xp2200 are the hottest running chips amd has made go check www.amd.com for manufacturing data. the cost of both coolers is almost identical. the water-x was $60us ship $8.00 total $68.00 us while the slk800u is $39.00 plus $10.00 shipping for $49.00 us with its fan at $17.00 plus $7.00 shipping for a total of $73.00 us dollars so the slk800u with fan is more expensive. the slk800 will not fit most motherboards due to its extreme size thats why thermalright brought out the slk800u to sell more heat sinks since they had such a limited application. The water-x is extemely easy to install and remove while the slk800u is probably too complex and hard of a task for the typical end user. The slk800u install directions were vague and hard to follow with no description of what or how to use the fan holddown wires. My slk800u came with two of the back plate holes stripped out and needed immediate factory service and replacement. The slk800u since it takes so many mounting parts and so much extreme time to install would not be my choice of cpu coolers since I like to test other cpus and cpu coolers the slk800u is just too time consuming to use. If you never buy a new cpu chip than the one time install of a slk800u is probably worth it but like most air coolers it has its limits of performance. I did also notice that the slk800u does cause a drop in my fan rpm due to air flow resistance of the heat sink itself. But at $68.00 us for the water-x and $73.00 us dollars for the thermalright slk800u I consider the price quite similar. There are many cpu coolers on the market that give similar air cooling temps as the slk800u and most are cheaper and do not require through the mother board complex and time consuming mounting processes. Most clip on neatly and quickly.
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/26
After extensive consultation with thermalright they recommended the use of there new slk800u for my asus a7v8x mother board.
This is really a update to the water-x data for comparison to the slk800u thermalright massive copper heat sink versus the easy clip on water -x unit. You have to pull the entire computer apart to mount the slk800u heat sink since it needs extensive mechanical support due to its amazing weight. I am running a athlon 2100xp chip, one of amds hottest chips,
peeeut... amd tunderbird series were the hottest, after those come the duron spitifires
and have tested various heat sinks and ddr400, 8xagp card with real world conditions. Using a warmed up system at 100% cpu load the following data can be viewed for comparison;

Water-x cpu cooler with 84 cfm tornado fan added
63c cpu/ 38c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
59c cpu/ 37c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

slk800u with a 84 cfm tornado fan added
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
46c cpu/ 33c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

So at 100% load the slk800u did yield a lower temp at the 28c air temp. Interestingly enough the slk800u warms up slowly but stays hot a lot longer then the cool down of the water-x unit.
your point being?
And the water-x unit typically drops 4 degrees in temp when moving to a 2% load the slk800u drops only 1 degree when dropping to a 2% load. So although the thermal right runs cooler it does not respond quickly to changing thermal load variations.
who cares?
The water-x unit runs higher in temps but does respond quickly to changing cpu loading variations. If you have ever monitered your cpu loading during running typical programs you can see that the cpu load varies greatly and quickly during most computer tasks. So there you have it, the water-x versus the slk800u real data, real computer tasks, by a real.genius. The cost of both cpu coolers is very similar.
no it is not, the water-x cooler cost twice as much
Email me if you have any questions about this actual data. real.genius@verizon.net
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/26
SLK800 has a clip on system and doesn't leak fluid on your motherboard and hose your whole system..
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/04/26
After extensive consultation with thermalright they recommended the use of there new slk800u for my asus a7v8x mother board. This is really a update to the water-x data for comparison to the slk800u thermalright massive copper heat sink versus the easy clip on water -x unit. You have to pull the entire computer apart to mount the slk800u heat sink since it needs extensive mechanical support due to its amazing weight. I am running a athlon 2100xp chip, one of amds hottest chips, and have tested various heat sinks and ddr400, 8xagp card with real world conditions. Using a warmed up system at 100% cpu load the following data can be viewed for comparison;

Water-x cpu cooler with 84 cfm tornado fan added
63c cpu/ 38c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
59c cpu/ 37c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

slk800u with a 84 cfm tornado fan added
47c cpu/ 35c mb/ 28c air temp at 100% cpu load
46c cpu/ 33c mb/ 28c air temp at 2% cpu load

So at 100% load the slk800u did yield a lower temp at the 28c air temp. Interestingly enough the slk800u warms up slowly but stays hot a lot longer then the cool down of the water-x unit. And the water-x unit typically drops 4 degrees in temp when moving to a 2% load the slk800u drops only 1 degree when dropping to a 2% load. So although the thermal right runs cooler it does not respond quickly to changing thermal load variations. The water-x unit runs higher in temps but does respond quickly to changing cpu loading variations. If you have ever monitered your cpu loading during running typical programs you can see that the cpu load varies greatly and quickly during most computer tasks. So there you have it, the water-x versus the slk800u real data, real computer tasks, by a real.genius. The cost of both cpu coolers is very similar. Email me if you have any questions about this actual data. real.genius@verizon.net
Comment from TeuS @ 2003/04/22
but->buy

real sorry to hear that. you might e-mail the producers about that and ask for a refund
Comment from nrc42o @ 2003/04/22
DON"T BUY THIS. i wasted 35 dollars water-x on this plus the price of a new video card when the side valve blow "you can see it in the picture" and spilled water all over my viedo card.
Comment from calantak @ 2003/04/03
you mean there was a pro reviewing it?
who was it?

Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/03
i don't say anything until i've seel my lawyer.
no seriously. i tought it was closed off correctly when i gave it to you. But that doesn't matter. I even a pro gets leaks, the thing is crap.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/03
yea YOU broke the cooler ! bad bad man!
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/03
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Originally posted by jmke
If I screwed it one more tightly the whole plastic would have cracked... I retried it plenty times, to no success :/
hmm, i know it was sealed when i tested it hier (not on a system)
but I uses and electric drill to screw them.
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/03
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Originally posted by real.genius
but 55c cpu temp at 100% continuous load on a xp 2100 chip is quite respectable.
anything above 45 is bad. anything above 50 sucks monkeyballs.

we are the kind of people that would use LN2 if it was legal around here, we use advanced watercooling, peltier setups, prometeia & vapochill units, watercoolings mounted in refrigerators etc.

for normal people: below 65°C is just fine. but hey, why won't they stick to their standard boxed AMD cooler. It comes almost for free with the cpu, and performs equally good as your water-X
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/03
If I screwed it one more tightly the whole plastic would have cracked... I retried it plenty times, to no success :/
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/04/03
bring it to m². i'll do some temp benchies after m²

btw. sure it leaks, you have to screw the radaitor on reeeeaaaly tight.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/04/03
http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/show...&threadid=1851

Here's my review of this product.. too bad it failed on me so I wasn't able to fry my CPU/motherboard like the other reviewers.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/23
how do you think I test these SLK800/900 heatsinks? that's right.. in the world.. the real world. Read some reviews & you'll see that either Thermalright product outdoes this Water-X , both in price as in performance.

I will the test the Water-X heatsink I have here in a closed case & we'll see how hard it will suck.

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I am not really impressed by your lack of actual data and performance, do you work for the slk people?
you crank me up man, you're the one promoting this crappy Water-X product, no matter how hard people proof that is sucks

ps: your text is hard to read through, use some
in them (breaks)

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I would be more than happy to test it for you since you dont seem to be able to give us any test results only smart comments and incorrect replys


if you don't have anything usefull to say.. then don't please. Don't attack me personally, "smart comments".. uhhu;

I base my "smart comments" on real world experiences.
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...120&articID=55
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/23
Well jmke I guess there must be a language problem, the 55c cpu reading was not obtained with the tornado fan, it was obtained with a stock fan of 30 cfm supplied with the $14.00 spire 3000 heat sink with micro fin 2 technology. I suppose I could modify the spire 3000 but 55c cpu temp at 100% continuous load on a xp 2100 chip is quite respectable.

If you think the slk800 or 900 is so good why dont you try these tests with there $14.00 heat sink and supplied fan. Oh I guess they dont have one for $14.00 and like the spire 3000 slk900s arent rated for xp3400s are they and they are not recommended by AMD. Any why I supplied test data on a mofified water-x unit and a stock spire 3000 air cooler with a xp2100 real world chip that churns out alot of heat even by AMD standards.

If youd supply one of those expensive slk900s to me for testing with real world conditions and real heat produceing chips I would be more than happy to test it for you since you dont seem to be able to give us any test results only smart comments and incorrect replys. So how much is a slk900 and what kind of fan and cfm does it have???? The truth be known, the $14.00 dollar spire with cfm 30 holding a xp2100 at 100% loading at 55c is a price performance leader.

And your the one who said keep it under 60c and the spire 3000 did just that for $14.00 dollars. I am not really impressed by your lack of actual data and performance, do you work for the slk people?

However, just to humor you, I have a xp2100 chip running on a ASUS a7v8x mb with ddr 400 and an 8x agp video card pretty much state of the art capable of running a 333 bus barton core also.
The slk800 and slk900u by thermaright both exceed the max wt recommendations from AMD. I have directly emailed thermalright to find out if a slk900u will fit on a ASUS a7v8x motherbd but they have not responded yet with there list of motherbds that will not work with there heatsink or should I say the list of motherboards that there heatsink will not work with.

By the way, the slk900u costs $50.00 without a fan and with a fan costs more than the water-x unit and a lot more than the spire 3000 which is rated for a xp3400 barton core. According to the thermalright site the slk900u is rated only up to a barton core xp2800 which is well under the rating of the 14.00 spire 3000 which by the way is reccommended by AMD is the slk900u on the AMD cooler list?
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/23
wow 55°C with a tornado fan?
You get <30°C when you mount such a fan on the SLK800/SLK900



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Thats right, a xp2100 at 100% load running at 55c cpu now thats performance
excuse me? 55°C under load is HIGH & you are deaf after 2 days as a bonus
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/23
After going to the 1coolpc web site I modified my water x unit with the addion of a tornado top mounted cooling fan. Thats 84 cfm air flow for those of you not familiar with this vantec product. Also upped the wattage of the case power supply to a 400 watt unit since there were now pumps and fans to turn off of the 12 volt power supply. The data suggest that the water x unit is very stable in performance with the increased cooling fan through put. My standard xp2100 chip was used for all the tests since it is one of the hottest running chips AMD makes. No sissy chip data here. Data as follows for water-x unit;
cold start
58c cpu/37c mb/ air temp 28c
at idle 2% to 10% cpu load and warmed up
60c cpu/38c mb/air temp 28c
100 % load and warmed up continuous 100% load
64c cpu/39c mb/air temp 28c
pump speed 1900 and fan 5100 rpms
Comparisons for an great air unit as follows, spire 3000 with standard supplied fan complete with heatsink compound from spire factory $14.00 us dollars.
cold start
46c cpu/26c mb/ air temp 24c
2% to 10% cpu load
52c cpu/32c mb/ 25c air temp
100% continuous loading
55c cpu/33c mb/25c air temp
Thats right, a xp2100 at 100% load running at 55c cpu now thats performance. So although the data for the modified water-x unit is fairly constant it did not out perform the standard oem fan spire 3000 unit for low temp performance.
SLK-900U performance for my set up, I have a xp2100 chip and a ASUS A7V8X KT400 mother bd with ddr400 mem. capable of running a barton core at 333 bus pretty much state of the art in technology with an 8x agp video card. just a couple of observations on the slk800 and slk900u, both exceed the maximum wt that AMD allows and both may not fit on a ASUS mother bd due to there oversized footprint. I have emailed thermalright directly to see if there slk900u fits on a ASUS A7V8X kt400 mb but they have been silent so far.
Comment from Bosw8er @ 2003/03/22
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Originally posted by jmke
the testing can begin
Real question is: "Exactly HOW hard will it suck ?"
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/22
the testing can begin
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/17

cu thursday!

thnkx in advance
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/03/17
yesyes, both 4 amd
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/17
that baby is 4 amd I hope
cause I don't have a spare P4 rig for the moment.
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/03/17
sure.
along with the Xdream Rev.2 ?
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/17
Can I come pick one up thursday?
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/03/17
we've got one @ colorcase.
time to prove we're right
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/15
@RGenius: 5800rpm fan? that's loud!
Comment from jakkerd @ 2003/03/14
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Originally posted by real.genius
By tweaking the air flow in my water-x unit I have been able to achieve very stable performance.cpu fan rpm 5800 and pump rpm of 1800 and case fan of 5400 I was able to achieve the following
after hours of real time running
case temp37c/cpu57c
heavy processor loading
case 41c/ cpu 59c
idle temp
case 37c/ cpu 57c
By the way, I checked the prices of slk800 there very expensive and they dont have a fan. I buy most of my cpu coolers with fans, I am not sold on passive cooling performance.
i have silent air cooling,
my athlon xp @ 12.5*170 @ 56° under load
and this is silent, as in reallly silent, with a heatsink that performes worse than an slk 800 (pal 8045)

this thing is totally not recommendable
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/14
By tweaking the air flow in my water-x unit I have been able to achieve very stable performance.cpu fan rpm 5800 and pump rpm of 1800 and case fan of 5400 I was able to achieve the following
after hours of real time running
case temp37c/cpu57c
heavy processor loading
case 41c/ cpu 59c
idle temp
case 37c/ cpu 57c
By the way, I checked the prices of slk800 there very expensive and they dont have a fan. I buy most of my cpu coolers with fans, I am not sold on passive cooling performance.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/14
did you check the review?
http://207.44.142.144//forums/showth...threadid=10262

the water-x doesn't come close to performance of even a budget watercooling kit. Costs more then high-end aircooling & has worse performance. an SLK800 or SLK900 with a silent fan still beats this Water-X, even with high casetemps :-)


Quote:
I also have been thinking about buying a small refrigerator and mounting the entire computer in it
you will see a drop in "case" temperature and as long as it doesn't go below zero you won't have any problems

place some good fans in the frig to make cold air move around & you are set.
Insulate the outgoing cables pretty good, so no "warm" air can get into the frig!

but you're going to need a pretty strong frig if you want to really make a noticable difference. Since most refrigerators are designed to slowly cool down objects that don't produce heat themselves.

So placing a PC inthere will have the frig.working overtime, make sure it can handle this

another solution you can try, is going for watercooling & placing the reservoir & pump in a good refrigerator, thereby cooling the water & providing better temperatures
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/14
real.genius,
so anyway because the water-x cpu cooler is one of the lowest priced water coolers on the market and so compact and has usable stable temperature controll I feel I can recommend it as a high heat capacity low cost water cooler. And what do you think about my idea of putting a computer into one of those low cost frost free mini refrigerators?
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/14
Quote:
Originally posted by jmke
your maximum temp

mobo temp: 40°C
CPU temp: 57°C

now let's increase my room temp to equal your mobo temp

mobo temp: 40°C
cpu temp: 48°C

now let's deduct the fact that I'm using 1.92v compared to your 1.82v. In general 0.1v difference lowers your temps with 5-10°C

so

mobo temp: 40°C
CPU temp: 43°C


that's a full 14°C difference between the 2 quite alot don't you think?
and the fact the SLK800 costs half of the Water-X only increases the fact that I cannot recommend the Water-X to anyone :-)
going over 50°C with an Athlon system sets you 1 foot into danger zone.

passing 60°C will lead to lock-ups
if you plan to overclock you need temps below 45°C , otherwise you will be severly limited in the max. OC you can achieve


ps: why do I get the strange feeling you are trying to promote this product..
I believe the data speaks for itself, I have no interest in the water-x product or company or distributors other than as a consumer of the product. I have tested many cpu coolers including dr. thermals with tornados on them which outperform slk800s by a massive performance margin as far as I know, but I also know that as the temperatures your operating the cooler in goes up air coolers can not keep up because hot air in equals hotter air out thats physics. The actual heat capacity of water =1 but metal air coolers have less heat capactiy. Because I have occasional high air temperatures to operate in thats why I have been trying cpu coolers beyond just air. I also have been thinking about buying a small refrigerator and mounting the entire computer in it. Most of the heat pipes are actually water coolers also. Vapo chills are very expensive but if you pay $600 for the fastest AMD chip maybe $600 for the cooler is justified? Anyway, I dont think you can just add numbers to your data, I think you would have to increase the air temperature going into your slk800 to get correct actual data out. I have done some over clocking hence I well aware of the dr. thermal with tornado fan. Let me know what you think about the small refrigerator idea.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/14
http://207.44.142.144//forums/showth...threadid=10262

Quote:
Pros: Very light weight & easy to install.
Cons: Just doesnt handle the heat.

Vcore ~ 1.75 (max the board will allow)
Multi ~ x12
FSB ~ 145
1.740Mhz

Idle on windows
Case: 35C
CPU: 52C
Idle in windows for 10 minutes
Case: 35
CPU: 54
Again, F@H for 30 minutes (Well the plan was for 30 minutes, got some business I had to deal with that couldnt wait, so instead it sat for nearly 2 hours.)
Case: 36
CPU: 61
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/14
your maximum temp

mobo temp: 40°C
CPU temp: 57°C

now let's increase my room temp to equal your mobo temp

mobo temp: 40°C
cpu temp: 48°C

now let's deduct the fact that I'm using 1.92v compared to your 1.82v. In general 0.1v difference lowers your temps with 5-10°C

so

mobo temp: 40°C
CPU temp: 43°C


that's a full 14°C difference between the 2 quite alot don't you think?
and the fact the SLK800 costs half of the Water-X only increases the fact that I cannot recommend the Water-X to anyone :-)
going over 50°C with an Athlon system sets you 1 foot into danger zone.

passing 60°C will lead to lock-ups
if you plan to overclock you need temps below 45°C , otherwise you will be severly limited in the max. OC you can achieve


ps: why do I get the strange feeling you are trying to promote this product..
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/13
Quote:
Originally posted by jmke
room temp: 21°C
CPU loaded temp: 29°C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well
Well like I said, most air coolers work fine at lower temps here is some limited data I have for my water-x cpu cooler at cold start the mb temp is 28c/cputemp 49c as the computer warms up the following temps were recorded for my AMD 2100 athlon mb32c/cpu49c, mb33c/cpu54c, mb34c/cpu55c, mb35c/cpu56c, mb36c/cpu56c, mb37c/cpu57c, mb38c/cpu59c, mb39c/cpu59c, full load tocpu mb40c/cpu61c, mb40c/cpu60c, mb41c/cpu59c, back to idle mb41c/cpu59c, mb41c/cpu59c, mb40c/cpu57c as can be seen by the data my tests begin at much higher background temps than your slc800 air unit. I am sure your slc800 is a fine unit but as you can see the water-x unit does a fine job of protecting the cpu even in higher background temperatures. I have never found that any air cooler has the heat capacity of a water cooler and the price of the water-x for a complete water cooling unit is quite low compared to any others I have seen. It is that large heat capacity that allows a loaded cpu to still run cool. Besides I have gotten such good customer service from the water-x reps who stand behind their product very very very well. That is why I can recommend it. vcore=1.824
Comment from DUR0N @ 2003/03/13
I think that atm the slk-800 is the best cooling you can get in price/performance terms
and slk's don't have the intention to 'stop working' or something like that
Comment from piotke @ 2003/03/13
Quote:
Originally posted by jmke
room temp: 21°C
CPU loaded temp: 29°C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well
extremely loud I may presume ?

h2o setup I've got is almost extremely silent.

Keeps a 1800+ @ 2200 @ 1.87 Vcore @ ~40° stressed, maximum.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/13
room temp: 21°C
CPU loaded temp: 29°C

Athlon XP running at 2000Mhz with 1.95v vcore.

that's what I mean by good aircooling

in the newslink.. if the site comes up again.. you could find a review of the mentioned product. It didn't do very well
Comment from TeuS @ 2003/03/13
give us your temps, then we'll talk
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/13
Quote:
Originally posted by jmke


it performs worse then a SLK800 (alot worse) and costs more

how would you recommend such device?
Reply; jmke I have never tested a slk800 but I have tested many other cpu coolers and found the water-x to run a very stable temperature range even under heavy load. It cooled my xp 2100 very fine under extreme temperature conditions. Many times real world conditions provide different results than labratory testing. An AMD 2100 or 2200 chip is the hottest running chip AMD makes running as much as 95c and under these extreme ranges the water-x held a stable and usable temp profile. Any heatsink performs well in a freezer but in real room temperatures the results can vary widely.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/13
Quote:
Originally posted by real.genius
I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x unit to any serious computer user.
it performs worse then a SLK800 (alot worse) and costs more

how would you recommend such device?
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/13
Further, the unit ran quietly and managed very stable temperature load configuation. 1 coolpc and A-Pro the suppliers of water-x were extremely customer service intensive. I would not hesitate to recommend the water-x unit to any serious computer user.
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/13
And the results are I found the water-x unit very stable and the suppliers of the water-x unit to be extremely helpful.
Comment from jASjE @ 2003/03/13
and, results pls
Comment from real.genius @ 2003/03/13
I recently bought a water-x cpu cooler from 1COOLPC.
Comment from jmke @ 2003/03/12
I've read some reviews, the performance doesn't justify its high price

an XP1700+ with 1.75v was running near to 60°C under load!

 

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