9½ weeks with Ubuntu

Others/Miscelleneous by Bosw8er @ 2007-12-18

Alas support for my beloved Windows 2000 is going to stop and the longer the more applications are no longer compatible. Hey, we had a good time, but it is time to say goodbye and to look out for a new and sexier partner. Welcome Ubuntu!

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After 9½ weeks of steamy action

After 9½ weeks of steamy action

Uncountable are the moments I thought switching back to Windows was the best thing I could do. Ubuntu is very user-friendly, flexible and docs/manuals are extremely good, but it still requires a lot of time to understand it thoroughly. I felt like investing my time in this new OS would be worthwhile. I thought I would be more productive afterwards.
OK, it was up very quickly and it stayed up. But when you started altering and modifying it sometimes goes down and then you need all kinds of techniques to get it up again. After 9½ weeks I was just to exhausted and lost my appetite for intercourse completely.

I think the Linux experience is quite comparable to other open source experiences. Right now I’m quite comfortable with MySQL & PHP (and other open source products), it has a long learning curve, but it was worth it because of the flexibility and the rapid development ... at the end.
It may have been easier to work with MS Dynamics, VBA, ... but I would lose the flexibility ... at the end. Now there is no way I’m going to "downgrade" to an MS Solution. With the OS it's the other way around. I started with the Windows solution and right now I need too much time to make the switch to a "better", more flexible, more robust open source OS.

Madshrimps (c)


At the end of the journey it was an informative experience and next time you take a dip into the Linux OS pool you are more familiar with the surroundings, however you must have found out the same thing I did a few years ago.

While there are enough alternatives to the paying Microsoft solutions, at the end of the line, for a none-noob PC user, having been used Microsoft OS for years, it's easy to start missing features you had, getting fed up with searching for features in Linux, having to consult online forums and trouble-shooting/howto/manuals for every thing you know how to do in Windows OS, but do not know how to do yet in Linux.

In a world where PC should be helping you SAVE time, having to LOSE time to perform mundane tasks, is the opposite of a "good" solution. While Windows is BLOATWARE, those millions of dollars spend on research (the kind of resources Linux community has not) do pay off, and while some features and functions can be seen as copied from other OS, at the end of the day you can find your way around the MS OS quite easily and be more productive than on other OS'es, even if you know those by heart.

Madshrimps (c)


I'm sure the future will only look better for Ubuntu and others, with more features streamlined and less under the hood tweaking to be done by the end user. In order for an OS to stand a chance against the known value of Microsoft it has to be near 100% fool-proof. 10 years ago you couldn't get a Linux distro with GUI installed without fiddling with the xconfig file; 10 years from now we'll have a complete Windows replacement OS;

Only question is, will a fat OS (fat client) still be required by then? Both Microsoft and Google are focusing on online applications and content, meaning you can launch a system with a browser and be off producing documents and working to hearth's content, so maybe this article is completely superfluous.

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Comment from wutske @ 2007/12/18
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To accomplish the same functionality with XP it takes 3 hours (fresh install).
If you fiddle around a bit with nLite, you can easily install a (more ligthweigth) version of XP in about 15 minutes. If you add some win-get batch-action to it you probably have a completely functional desktop in an hour (or two, depening on your internet connection ).

btw, bosw8er, are you frustrated or something ? Nice article .

//edit; yaj, 1300 posts
Comment from jmke @ 2007/12/18
the time it takes to make a working automated XP install with all applications preinstalled is a lot more than 3 hours, including testing and verification
Comment from geoffrey @ 2007/12/18
Something different, I like it


So many different OS now, XP will be hard to beat though, I'm so used to it that I don't want to put time in exploring something new although that Linux does look adventureous en refreshing at the same time. Must... resist... temptation...
Comment from jmke @ 2007/12/18
very easy, just try to enjoy these games on Linux: http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f...-2007-a-40465/
ooooh
Comment from geoffrey @ 2007/12/18
That's a very good point, although that in some cases you can trade in your 8800GTX for last generation consoles
Comment from goingpostale1 @ 2007/12/19
Nice article, I myself am still working up the courage to try Ubuntu again. Tried it and my Broadcom network driver problems were so time consuming I just went back to XP. After reading your article I am encouraged and I believe there is hope for linux in my future. I'm still sticking by my old adage of "Linux is only free if your time is worthless", simply because of all the time its going to take me to learn a new OS . However , I envy the fact you forged through in dealing with Linux in places where I gave up.

Nice Job, bosw8er
Comment from Kougar @ 2007/12/19
Time spent learning to use a new OS is rather fun in my opinion. You learn different things.

Time trying to make the OS work for the simple little things that don't work but should is only worthwhile if your time is worthless and you enjoy bashing your head against the keyboard. I'll dink around with Linux, but until the day it works out of the box or inside 10 minutes I'm sticking to windows. Says the guy that mostly enjoys his black Vista, at any rate
Comment from jmke @ 2007/12/19
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Originally Posted by geoffrey View Post
That's a very good point, although that in some cases you can trade in your 8800GTX for last generation consoles
FPS games are PC only, consoles suck for FPS :/

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Time spent learning to use a new OS is rather fun in my opinion. You learn different things.
I rather have a working OS with I can do things the moment I want to do them , without having to digg up another howto guide or troubleshooting tips&tricks
Comment from Kougar @ 2007/12/19
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I rather have a working OS with I can do things the moment I want to do them , without having to digg up another howto guide or troubleshooting tips&tricks
Never had that issue with Vista anymore than I have with XP. That was my problem with linux however, it doesn't matter what flavor it always required a guide to figure out how to do the simplest things like play a mp3 or get a linux video player to correctly install the various required libraries to make it work.
Comment from jmke @ 2007/12/19
if you got Digg, spread the word: http://digg.com/linux_unix/9_1_2_weeks_with_Ubuntu
Comment from wutske @ 2007/12/19
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Originally Posted by Kougar View Post
Never had that issue with Vista anymore than I have with XP. That was my problem with linux however, it doesn't matter what flavor it always required a guide to figure out how to do the simplest things like play a mp3 or get a linux video player to correctly install the various required libraries to make it work.
I think most people share the same opinion, you don't need a big manual to start working with windows and it might not come with a lot of (productive) applications, but it can do most things straigth out of the box.

The main problem with linux is that there is too much of it, there's absolutely no standard for doing basic tasks; let's take the most important thing, installing applications. You have make-scripts, rpm-packages, slackware-packages, debian/ubuntu-packages ... and most applications are only available in one or two flavours .
Windows is more easy, there are different kinds of installer (more like brands) but all of them work on (almost) every windows installation ! Now that's easy .

Despite all the negative words I've just typed, I'll probably try out openSuse these vacations . I've heard some good things about it and it's worth trying, if it sucks, I simple put the hdd back on the shelf where it's catching dust atm
Comment from Kougar @ 2007/12/20
Can't argue with free, so nothing lost except time spent. I've not tried the latest incarnations of Ubuntu, but one review I read mentioned that the reason it still doesn't play mp3, wma, or simular media out of the box is because they don't fall in the open source arena. Hence they'll never be included.

Jumping in headfirst into using a Mac OS X box was frankly easier, and that was with the Mac keyboard differences included! I only had to ask a person how to bring up right-click menus and after that I was doing my work on the Mac's in the school lab just fine, after about 10 minutes of trial and error with the interface. One-button mac mice are the worst invention ever...
Comment from Bosw8er @ 2007/12/20
http://www.linux.com/feature/122681

I don't mean to sound excessively negative. Ubuntu is much nicer than Windows in many ways -- the feel of the desktop, the built-in functionality, the available software through APT, the ease of working with certain aspects of the Windows office environment I'm in. Free software is also extremely important to me, and of considerable interest to my organisation.
But the integration just isn't as slick and easy as I had hoped. With each step I have had to spend more time messing around with settings, or just working around missing functionality, than I do in Windows XP. I'm sure some of my stumbling blocks have answers, but they weren't there by default, nor easy for me to find. This poses a problem for my organization: the only way to make a migration really work would be to switch the servers first to eliminate compatibility issues, and then to do a really comprehensive refit of the desktops with lots of retraining. This is certainly a possibility, but with the constraints of a charity IT budget (where funding for long-term investments is difficult to come by, and where software licensing is relatively cheap) it's going to take considerable political will from management to justify a wholesale migration.
Comment from Shogun @ 2007/12/23
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Time spent learning to use a new OS is rather fun in my opinion. You learn different things.
Agreed!

I like how once you've learned some of the tricks behind Linux, the power you now control is rather... immense.

If you're on the lookout for thriving Linux communities, a large number exist these days.

I especially like Linux Questions, USA LUG, and the Ubuntu Forums (assuming you're running Ubuntu). Each major Linux flavor should have its own forums with lots of knowledgeable egg heads ready and willing to help you out with whatever problem you may be having with Linux. You must remember that whatever issue you're having isn't the first time a lot of these guys heard of it.

Linux has gotten to the point where some of my non-technical friends can sit down at a PC, browse the Internet to pay bills, check e-mails, whatever, and not even realize they are using something other than a Windows operating system!
Comment from Bosw8er @ 2007/12/24

 

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