Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF 850W Power Supply Review

Cases & PSU/Power Supplies by KeithSuppe @ 2007-01-11

Silverstone Technology Ltd. is a relative newcomer to the PC-world having been founded in 2003. As a manufacturer of power supplies, CPU-coolers and enclosures they aggressively sought to compete with the very best in these product categories. Over the last year they have come into their own with the release of the well received Temjin TJ06 aluminum case and Zeus line of PSUs. Silverstone is now a relatively familiar name and we have the flagship of the Zeus series, the ST85ZF.

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Binning Power Supplies?

Binning is a manufacturing term usually reserved for processors, although many micro-chips are binned. To oversimplify, processors are designed around a specific core design and this single core will be used throughout the entire model line.

Models aren’t merely sorted by speed, but also by cache depending on the manufacturer and packaging (not box package). For example, an extreme Intel Core X6800 contains the same core as its less costly E6300 brethren except the less costly model has just half the cache, with the other half disabled on purpose. In a perfect world (for the manufacturer and for the Purist Overclocker) every CPU produced at the Fab would be capable of meeting and surpassing the performance requirements of the flagship or fastest model.

Since it costs approximately 2-billion dollars to build a Fab which is usually intended to manufacture a single core design, it wouldn’t make financial sense to build a Fab for every model designed off the same template (core architecture). And it’s also not reasonable to expect the consumer will desire, need, or have the funds for $1000 CPU.

The answer then is binning and packaging which creates products at a performance price point for all. What has occurred with Intel’s Conroe processor is that it was one of their best production runs ever, this is evident in the fact almost every core off the line was capable of running far beyond the flagship model’s intended speed without a need to increase Vcore. CPU makers always make sure to design in some overhead or “speed ceiling” as a longevity buffer. In a less successful CPU production run Overclocker’s may only get a few hundred MHz if their lucky and they will have to raise Vcore just to get that with additional heat output. An example of this can be found in some of the less successful Intel Pentium 4 Northwood’s in which slower models were packaged to run 1.525V while faster models required 1.550V vcore. The Overclocker lives for processors like Conroe in which the Allendale’s (Conroe with less cache and lower multiplier) overclocked so high their speed compensated for less L2 cache in performance.

Did binning happen on a smaller scale with the Etasis EPAP-750 aka Silverstone Zeus ST75ZF?

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Can a PSU be binned? From the photo above it does seem possible at least some parts of a PSU designed to meet certain specifications can perform beyond those specs, we constantly see this in the "Peak" value. With only a 100W difference between the 750 and 850 models, it is not only logical but cost effective the same circuit board could be used for several models. So long as the design is the same, four 12V-Rails for example, then a difference of 100W +/- could very well share some basic parts. What originally piqued my interest was the obvious main board discrepancy. Several reviewers commenting on this suggested Etasis or Silverstone had purportedly "upgraded" parts and the stickers placed on these were evidence of this. Below the main transformer bears a sticker identifying it as EPAP-850 part.

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Once fully disassembled ambiguities arise in the discord between the EPAP-850 sticker and more permanent printing on the transformer side identifying the part number EPAP-750 (below).

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When examining the ST85ZF in an attempt to find any part not bearing the EPAP-750 identification it seems I may have confirmed this was an EPAP-750. Every transformer on the power supply are labeled EPAP-750, such as the PFC transformer off the primary PCB.

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Next the independent voltage regulation transformers supplying VRM3V and VRM5V also bear these same numbers. To reiterate it is entirely possible these parts could be "tweaked;" however, this does seem extraordinary

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The circuit board running along the DC-output voltage to PC bears the EPAP-750 part number as seen in the photos below.

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A close-up reveals the part number.


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And as indicated on the previous page, the main PWM or Voltage Regulator Module bears the same part number.


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While part labels do not necessarily negate an 850W power rating nor prevent the PSU in keeping with its specifications as listed by Silverstone for their Zeus ST85ZF, it does beg the question: “Would it be advantageous to purchase the ST750ZF instead?”

At the very least without a visual side by side comparison of Etasis EPAP-750 / EPAP-850 or Silverstone ST85ZF / ST75ZF; any conclusion would be based on conjecture. I have compared photos and part descriptions from what I believe to be every review on the Internet pertaining to the ST75ZF, ST85ZF, EPAP-750 and EPAP-850, although none have explored this issue in-depth.

Perhaps most compelling would be to carefully compare the two photos below, the left thumbnail exemplifies the secondary PCB borrowed from Overclock3D Etasis ET-750 review (pg.5) and on the right a photo of our ST85ZF taken from the same viewpoint (right thumbnail).

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Onto testing -->
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Comment from Sidney @ 2007/01/11
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From Hardware Secrets; Why 99% of Power Supply Reviews Are Wrong. I'm sure that article will have a substantial impact on most PSU reviews you have read.
I've read the article the day it came out, and found the statement rather inaccurate. A Chroma station, measuring amp and or wattage or voltage by replicating the manufacturer QC station process, and even taking IQC (incoming QC on purchased components) are for the engineering professional in electrical field. When I test drive a car, I only need to know how it responses, sitting/driving position, steering inputs, acceleration (if it is important to me), gas mileage (if it is labled for good mileage consumption), price point and the "look", etc, etc ...... One thing I don't mind not knowing is all the engine, chassis, suspension, gear-box design and specifications (although some of us do want to know because we are very good at it).

99% of reviews are wrong sounded is a bit odd. It depends on the type of audience; 99% are electrical engineers (by formal training or otherwise) and PC enthusiasts; leaving 1% reader who asks that give me a power supply that fits well in my case and support my system without over kill in paying for something I don't need is a strange statement.

By the way, the article serves me well
Comment from EsaT @ 2007/01/19
I just checked article more closely and I think you are wrong about 12V rails being really separate.

Basing to these pics looks much like at least 1 and 2 are "jumpered" (those thick metal jumpers) from same trace.
And basing to bottom side of PCB also 3 and 4 are propably similarly connected.



In fact looks like all 12V rails are directly connected to each other after those "jumpers", PCB traces seem to connect to each others on left edge of pic.


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Originally Posted by lazyman View Post
When I test drive a car, I only need to know how it responses...

99% of reviews are wrong sounded is a bit odd.
So you test drive car using just gear 1?
Or more precisely without any driving and seeing just that engine works at idle?
Comment from jmke @ 2007/01/19
rather testing driving the car on race roads, normal roads, traffic jams, long distances, short distances, parking, booth space, easy maintenance, wheel removal kit, seat arrangements, mirror placement, etc etc

you don't need to know how the engine works to make an evaluation of how the car drives

knowing how the engine works can help to explain why the car drives as it does, but it's not a necessary ingredient to make a good evaluation of the car, of course, cars and PSU are not quite a like, and comparo here might not be appropriate
Comment from Sidney @ 2007/01/19
If it is automatic trans; most people don't just put it in "D"; drive away
If it is humming along quietly, most drivers don't care how it works
I am referring to majority of drivers.
Comment from EsaT @ 2007/01/19
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Originally Posted by lazyman View Post
I am referring to majority of drivers.
But most people propably wouldn't trust test drive of car done by using only gear 1, that's what that majority of PSU reviews with barely 1/3 of load specified in ads of PSU are...

On the other hand this specie might have once again digged deeper than previously reached level of rock bottom.
Comment from Sidney @ 2007/01/20
You don't buy a car just by reading test report I hope
Comment from jmke @ 2007/01/20
it does help make the decision a lot, testing driving PSU is hard
Comment from Sidney @ 2007/01/20
My initial post was related to the 99% reviews being wrong. Here is my take-
1) A car is rated to have 500HP rear or front wheel power; top speed 180MPH. There will be manufacturing variables, and a dyno test may or may not prove 100% accurate. Now comes the 180mph test, again there are many variables plus having a track to do the test against normal traffic. A test drive reviewed at 120 MPH without the track to top out is not 100% wrong. It merely ran out of track on this part of the review.
2) Since PSU is not regulated by any government (unlike cars) rating except UL for safety. It is highly dependable on the manufacturer's ablility to hold certain professional standards such as ISO which I strongly recommend consumers to look into.
3) The use of any test equipment not regularly certified does not mean much to me.

Lastly, PSU tested even at 100% spec on bench using Chroma station at a given time does not gurantee real life performance against weather condition and irregular or variable input voltage (from the wall or motherboard). Look for solid and reputable manufacturer or name brand; reading test reports include cable length, flexibility, size to fit most or just certain cases, and noise level; to say 99% of reviews are wrong because they might not test the max output is "odd".

We could go another step to look into component specs +/- 3%? Or requesting BOM (bills of material) and supplier listings?
Comment from Liquid3D @ 2007/01/25
I actually re-evaluatewd that article myself. I also found several points which were inconsistent. I wasn't trying so much to discredit our or any other methodologies as I was trying to challange those sites whom feel their tests are beyond reproach. Many of the top test sites with the very best hardware use voltage regulation as a standard test.

When you think of it, since all PSU's have voltage regulation it's not as if their testing the PSU's "power reserve" their actually measuring (if it's possible) the unit's ability to compensate for Rail fluctuation. Without "true" independent voltage regulation fluctuation will be regulated, often at the xpense of theo others Rails. Therefore measuring rail stability may only show one or two phenomenon: First - time it takes to compensate (get the rail back to "spec". Second - wether or not PSU is able to compensate without any affecting other rails or circuits in the design. The paper states the latter is almost impossible because one would need to monitor all rails simultaneously.

IMHO it's not so much the rail in question is immedately regulated, but more importantly this regulation is proprietary as is the current source behind it.

For exmaple if 12V3 dips and it is compensated for, does this now effect 12V1, 12V2 and 12V4? While independent voltage regulation may avoid any impact on other rails, much more important to me is where that power comes from?

The jumpers you refer do not seem to connect any of the 12V rails on the face of it, but I'll follow the traces to be sure if you like?

 

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