My next Upgrade

Others/Editorials by jmke @ 2004-04-26

The hardware world moves on at an amazing pace, but the last couple of years it has been kind of slacking in the speed department. Bottle necks which were easily removed 5 years ago, have stuck their head up now in the year 2004. Where is the HW world going to?

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My next Upgrade

My next upgrade.

The hardware world moves on at an amazing pace, but the last couple of years it has been kind of slacking in the speed department. Bottle necks which were easily removed 5 years ago, have stuck their head up now in the year 2004.
If you compare the speed upgrades one could receive from upgrading his PC one year after the next when the Pentium I was still around, you'd be amazed. The leap from 486 @ 120 MHz to a Pentium @ 120 MHz was nothing short of amazing, you'd almost get double the performance.
And not only the CPU got a massive speed bump, your video card, memory and hard drives speed all went up by 20-50%.

Bottle necks: Hard drives were always the hardware item in ones PC that dragged down overall performance, sure going from ATA33 to ATA66 gave a need speed increase, but then what? We are still waiting for the next big upgrade for the massive storage media.
SATA has been introduced, but as predicted by Anandtech and many others, it won't be until the next revision of SATA before we see any noticeable improvements over PATA Technology. The hard drive transfer rate has very slowly increased over the past years, grinding almost to a halt at this current date.
Western Digital's raptor tries to overcome the delays while accessing many small files in random order by increasing the rotation speed of their disks up to SCSI standards, 10.000rpm. SCSI drives are loud, very expensive and have reached not so long ago the screeching fast platform of 15.000rpm, and I'm not only talking speed wise. These storage drives make a lot of noise and emit massive heat, don't want to put your hand on that disk after it has been running for a couple of hours.

So there we are stuck with medium expensive storage media which comes not in the close neighbourhood of the performance obtained by the rest of the system. CPU and Memory can flood these poor disks with data in an eye blink.
Tests of people running immensely expensive ram drives in their 66Bit PCI slots have nothing but good experiences with them. No more waiting for windows to start, for that file to decompress or that file copy to finish.
Memory FLASH cards were not only named for their specifications, but also for their inherit speed as the data is put on the media in... a flash.

At Cebit we've seen some 4 GB flashcard on display, too bad the transfer rates are not up to par to actually make use of it as an alternative "system" drive. You think CPU's and Graphic cards have come a long way? Think again, the big companies like Intel/AMD/nVIDIA/ATI and many more are slowing down progress just to get that extra $ from you.

Releasing products with only a minimal speed increase and priced high enough to discourage anyone not into computing to ever consider buying one to start off with. While they pile up more money on their little mountain we get to see P4 2.4 2.53 2.66 2.8 and so on. Gone are those days where an upgrade from that old PII 450 to your new PIII 1 GHz meant having a system that was twice at fast at doing ANYTHING. If you upgrade your 2+GHz machine now to one of these A64 or P4 3+GHz bad boys you'll be disappointed. They'll still cost you the same, but the speed increase will be far less impressive. You can skip a few generations of product releases and upgrade every 2-3 years, but with game developers getting a good taste of all this feature rich hardware they'll make sure you won't experience a good gameplay experience with your current rig. Far Cry looking good on that Direct 8 card? Sure, until you saw those screens with the Shader Model 2 in action.

So what does this boil down to? Timing and luck. The upgrading game is like playing the lottery, you'll never know if you have chosen the winning ticket. “Will the RDRAM train have a nice long track to run on?” Guess not, and guess what I'm stuck with!
Does this mean that the older hardware can't keep up? Not at all, there still a lot of fun to be had with yesterdays hardware, even when stressing them with the latest games. You'll have to take the occasional in-game hick-up with this of course, and all the glitter and glory will not be yours, yet.

What am I upgrading to? The way things are looking AMD seems the way to go, Socket 939, dual channel memory, both high and low end CPU's. But when? And will it be affordable? If we go back a couple of months and look at the launch of the "budget" S754 CPU's and motherboards it might well be an affordable one. 400 $/€ for a CPU and motherboard of the next generation, just make sure you have that PCI-Express slot on there, otherwise you'll be once again on a dead end track when it comes down to video card upgrades.

Will we ever relive the days of huge speed jumps? Who knows, the way the hardware companies are milking their "flock" I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Cheers.


Feel free to point out the errors of my ways in this thread at the forums, no registration is required, but advisable :)
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Comment from piotke @ 2004/04/20
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While they pile up more money on their little mountain we get to see P4 2.4 2.53 2.66 2.8 and so on. Gone are those days where an upgrade from that old PII 450 to your new PIII 1ghz ment having a system that
n/o, but you compare the slowest p3 with the fastest (widely available) p3. What about the p3 500, 550, 600, ....

there were also p4 2.4 533 and 3.06 533, so you could make also a bigger jump..

If you take a look at the impact of the upgade, you're correct...

450 --> 1 Ghz is +50%
2.4 --> 3.06 is less

But in general it's an interesting read !
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/20
sure there were a lot steps , but compare with the older series

P1 - 70 90 120 133 166 200 233
P2 - 233 250 300 333 366 433(?) 450
P3 - 500 550 600 650 700 750 800 866 900 1000

(there are more but don't remember them all)

now take the P4 - 1.5 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.26 2.4 2.53 2.6 2.66 2.8 3.0 3.06 3.2 3.4

and then I'm still forgetting some, just look at what they are cooking up for the new prescott series and their Pentium M series
over 20+ models, each differ only a few % in speed, it's a waste of marketing money


about the upgrade, I'm about going from a P4 1.5 to a 3.0
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/20
This is what business is looking into when new computer purchase is being considered. People associate in IT and IT Purchase always argue these points you mentioned.

I am not talking about gaming in graphic card; rather 3D engineering app demands as much as gamers.

The trend you indicated has a lot to do with higher production yields in chip making then yesteryears; sales/marketing approach in promoting higher speed plays a key role in the rapid new CPU introduction for both Intel and AMD.

Bottom line; upgrading on an annual basis could never achieve the best ROI in business formula; but acceptable to enthusiasts who want the bragging rights. Once, people go over the ego trip; upgrading will slow down.

I am from the very old school, hence my graphic card is at least two years behind. I admire Dan Rutter's stand on his consistent view point (dansdata.com), CPU upgrade consideration should be at least 50% improvement over the previous one. For that matter, any hardware upgrade should meet the same parameter.

May be John could look into the parameters in acquiring upgrades. This will certainly be an interesting topics.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/20
thanks for the valuable comments Sidney!


that 50% speed increase rule is great, but as time goes buy, you'll have to wait longer and longer for that to happen


the only thing we really NEED know to take things to next level is very fast large storage media for everything BUT gaming.

very fast GPU action for gaming.

CPU and Memory is speedy enough at this time, it's the other two who are lagging behind. Sure the NV40 can show you that at 800x600 your system is "CPU" limited, but if you pump in Doom 3 like quality with 10001 shader effects to create a blistering image of super high quality with immense high resolution, then your GPU will sweat, even at 640x480 (like the Ti4600 which can be easily killed by the D3 beta leak)
Comment from piotke @ 2004/04/20
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Originally posted by jmke
now take the P4 - 1.5 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.26 2.4 2.53 2.6 2.66 2.8 3.0 3.06 3.2 3.4
yes, but they weren't made at the same time ...

you can imho compare
1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.4 2.5

then you got

2.4 2.53 2.66 2.8 3.06

and now

2.4 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4

so it are actually always steps of 133 mhz of more. Your line of cpu's is correct, there's always about 8 months in between a news serie, while 2.4 (533)-->3.06 came ALMOST at one..
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/20
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Originally posted by piotke

yes, but they weren't made at the same time ...
doesn't matter, speed increase between the revisions was at max 10% and then some.

10% is nothing, because then you're only talking CPU, if you throw in the rest, you still got a rig which has been barely made faster, although you just spend $400 on a new cpu and mobo, and in my case if I upgrade to DDR1, RAM.

Upgrading to DDR1 for me is only valuable if I'm going the AMD road, if the Pentium M marches forward and is able to pick up speed, then we'll have PCI-X and DDR2 boards. Something Intel should have done 9 months ago, instead of trying to PresHott us.
Comment from Bosw8er @ 2004/04/20
I don't believe in investing in raw cpu-power :
1) too expensive (horrible price/gain ratio)
2) the amount of cpu power ain't necessary in 90% of daily pc-labour
3) you won't notice any difference at all (except from benchmarks) when you bought your latest pc within one year or so
4) worst investment you ever made because the cpu ain't worth half of the price you bought it for ... one day after you bought it

I wouldn't invest one cent in upgrading in cpu-power if i had a PIV or XP 2600 to 3000 coupled with PC2700 and a recent mobo. Mainly because i wouldn't notice the difference.

I'll stick to upgrading on a budget friendly way, according my needs.
Like an Ati 8500DV : expensive 500EUR card, but it has so much bells and whistles i think it was even cheap. I have had it for about 3 years ... no need to replace it ... for the next 2 years.
If you have the urge to upgrade (and the money) i would rather go for raptor disks (or go for raid), 17 or 19 inch LCD screens, a quality nicelooking case, upgrade your graca (if you're into gaming), invest in a second or third pc for backups or testing, ... or other valuable things that will keep you happy for several years ... in stead of several hours.
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/20
The difference between WANTS and NEEDS.

Perfectly makes sense in 19" LCD or 22" CRT; better looking case to please my eyes. As for FAST harddrive, I could see at work when 1 to 3 GB of 3D pipings data in the plant; Autocad drawings with GB data points at Boeing; MRP run with over 100,000 sku's in BOM explosion using level 1 MRPII planning where HDD speed would make a huge difference.

Office apps; forget it. BUT, hardware manufacturers know exactly the majority customers weakness ..... WANTS overshadow NEEDS.

Intel has us by the balls; if fast cars could sell; fast "speed" processor will too. It will be un-nature to go the other way. AMD marketing folks made a BIG mistakes after the success of K6 when they gave up the OEM market and turned to the enthusiasts market which by far small in SOM (share of market) in total by lowering the price point only creates the noise and not the wallet.

Bottom line; John has a good idea with this particular topic. It will become an endless thread. Or, a thread that goes timeless.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/21
end of this year we finally double the SATA speed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...420164544.html
Comment from RichBa5tard @ 2004/04/21
This would be a very interesting editoral indeed.

I don't fully agree with the following though:
Quote:
Originally posted by jmke
sure there were a lot steps , but compare with the older series

P1 - 70 90 120 133 166 200 233
P2 - 233 250 300 333 366 433(?) 450
P3 - 500 550 600 650 700 750 800 866 900 1000

(there are more but don't remember them all)

now take the P4 - 1.5 1.6 1.8 2.0 2.2 2.26 2.4 2.53 2.6 2.66 2.8 3.0 3.06 3.2 3.4
Your P3 series are far from complete, let's compare them all:

P3 Katmai 100 fsb (450 - 550)
P3 Katmai 133fsb (533)
P3 Coppermine slot, 100fsb (600 - 1000)
P3 Coppermine slot, 133fsb (600 - 1133)
P3 Coppermine socket, 100 fsb (600 - 1000)
P3 Coppermine socket, 133 fsb (600 - 1133)
P3 Tualatin socket, 133 fsb (1000 - 1400)

All together, these are 36 (!) different desktop P3 processors. That's a whole lot more than 15 P4 models, don't you think?


I fully agree about the Processor hype, but that's mainly because we are pc-enthousiasts and know how to assemble our own pc. It's pretty logical imho a average consumer will asume that when he buys a PC with a good processor, he expects it to have an equally good videocard, ram, harddrive, etc. The sad part is most OEM's abuse this fact (look at HP / Packard bell pc's: good cpu, but everything else is as cheap as possible). I admire Dell for this, they might not be cheap, but at least they don't cheat on consumers. A pitty they don't sell cheap Athlon XP rigs for people who don't want to pay for an expensive P3C rig, but don't want a Celeron either.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/21
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Originally posted by RichBa5tard

Your P3 series are far from complete, let's compare them all:
"(there are more but don't remember them all)"
just wait 6 months, the P4 series will surpass your number of 36


if Intel doesn't solve the preshott problem then Dell might consider AMD, they have not changed their minds yet, but the ways things are going...
Comment from DUR0N @ 2004/04/21
jeuj, sata speeds double, HDD's still can't keep up.
the bottleneck is imo the HD, not the interface
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/21
put 5 HD's on one controller,
then try to convince me "it's not the interface"
Comment from IKilledMyAGOIA @ 2004/04/25
well, there is 2.4a 2.4b 2.4c and 2.4e

bleh

im sticking with the much saner athlonxps

btw, i just won a contest so my computer gets a total overhaul - $200 from monarchcomputers so im gonna get an nf7-s r2 and mobile 2500, then sell my soltek, 1700, and xms to buy ram
Comment from IKilledMyAGOIA @ 2004/04/25
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Originally posted by RichBa5tard

I fully agree about the Processor hype, but that's mainly because we are pc-enthousiasts and know how to assemble our own pc. It's pretty logical imho a average consumer will asume that when he buys a PC with a good processor, he expects it to have an equally good videocard, ram, harddrive, etc. The sad part is most OEM's abuse this fact (look at HP / Packard bell pc's: good cpu, but everything else is as cheap as possible). I admire Dell for this, they might not be cheap, but at least they don't cheat on consumers. A pitty they don't sell cheap Athlon XP rigs for people who don't want to pay for an expensive P3C rig, but don't want a Celeron either.
here in the states - go to a best buy/ circuit city and find a p4 3.2C using a freakin 9200 or 5200 vid card, and thats the norm

its sad - and yet people still compare the prices on those pieces of crap to quotes you give them on decent computers
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/25
Just because enthusiasts assemble their PC, does not mean it is money well spent. It's worst; because they all want a bigger **** than others; >$500 for processor, >$400 graphic cards.

Who do you think buying the 1st 1000 units? Stupid enthusiasts, in many ways.
Comment from DUR0N @ 2004/04/25
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Originally posted by jmke
put 5 HD's on one controller,
then try to convince me "it's not the interface"
what do you mean?

if you put 5 hd's on one controller, the PCI bus is the bottleneck imo.
Comment from piotke @ 2004/04/25
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Originally posted by lazyman
Just because enthusiasts assemble their PC, does not mean it is money well spent. It's worst; because they all want a bigger **** than others; >$500 for processor, >$400 graphic cards.
Wel, I also want to have the fastest possible stuff, but I never buy top line, for example now a 9800Xt, while the pro costs half of it...

But I know what I buy, ad mostely it has a decent overclocking capability...
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/26
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I also want to have the fastest possible stuff, but I never buy top line, for example now a 9800Xt, while the pro costs half .
So, you are about 6 months behind kind of guys with Vcard; and MAY be two months behind in CPU/Board.

Corporate America is 3.5 YEARS behind on average; because write-off of investment is about 3 years.

But, here is an interesting article, although written a few years back it is holding its value even today.

http://www.dansdata.com/sbs12.htm

Look at this from another angle:

1) The upgrade will increase your productivity with which you will have more idle time = no upgrade necessary.
2) The upgrade will increase your productivity otherwise you could not perform your duty = upgrade is necessary.
3) The upgrade allows you to get to a higher level of competency = uppgrade is necessary.
4) Without constant upgrade you feel unhappy hence affecting your daily productivity = you need to find a life, upgrade is unnecessary

Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/26
at the European community they change PC's every 4 years, this means that we have still PII-350 lingering around, as well as P4 2.53 machines.
Comment from Blue_Boy @ 2004/04/26
heyhey, i bougth a PIV 2.53 when i could have bought a PIV 3.06, bot the extra 500 MGhz wasn't worth the extra 250€
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/27
Very strong point here.

While consumers are lured into the stores to buy the "supposing" fast computers only to find out there is not much speed increase in any office apps than the one they replaced.

At the same time, most blue chip stocks are back to "normal pricing" Intel is still below $30; and the seesaw effects of AMD from $8 to $38 range makes you wonder if we are looking at processor idle and load temp swings.

Intel's 423 socket lived for 6 months; 478 socket for 2.5 years and comes the 755. So, in three years time, they changed socket 3 times.

AMD has kept the 370 for quite a long time. You know what? I don't think the S754 will last; which is the mainstream, 754, 939 or 940?

Hey, what about the damn Prescott!!!
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/04/28
PCI-X is actually not PCI Express. Rather PCI Express is known as 3GIO, or 3rd generation I/O.
PCI-X is actually an enchanced version of PCI boards found in servers.
Comment from blahblah @ 2004/04/28
Things will actually change with pci express on the front. With GPU's coming out it will be evident that CPU's will now be the bottleneck for gaming perfomance and not GPU. How long this trend will last for is anybodys guess.
Comment from lazer1 @ 2004/04/28
With the trend heading towards server computing in the business sector, companies like intel are feeling the pinch. Produts like Terminal server and citrix metaframe which make it possible for you to run many applications on a 486 with 32 megs of ram (as all the applications actually run from the server, only screen and mouse clicks are sent from the client pc)
Who needs a p4 3.0ghz with 512bm ram in a business environment when 95% of users will just use office,email and a browser?
Terminal service solutions is the future in computing and this will definatley hurt hardware companies.
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/28
I was in IT 30 years ago; They were called Data Processing, punch cards and noisy room. IBM mini 36, Super 38 and CICS. Then, came the AS400 in late 80's; data base management' de-centralize. Auditors from accounting firms came in annually with their Compaq portable 9" GREEN screen punching in Lotus with numbers. People playing computer games were at least 30 years old except Bill Gates, as 16 year old kids could never afford sending $2,000 for a PC. I was writing in basic A for time-phase order point system driven by Data input. Running a factory with 600 people building surface mounted PC boards and a 8-bit portable computer.

The excess of computing power today is into computer games. The best contribution of PC to productivity is the spreadsheet and word process, the rest of the computer power is being wasted.

We have many PC users and few masters.
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/04/28
Found a typo
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400 $/€ for a CPU and motherboard of the next generation, just make sure you have that PCI-X slot on there, otherwise you'll be once again on a dead end track when it comes down to video card upgrades.
I think you mean PCI-E.
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/04/28
^ dude, thats PC-Express or 3GIO not frekin PCI-E.....wheres that rolleyes smiley...

thats cool lazyman that you been in computers 30 years, I been in since the 233,*remembers playing Commander Keen was a blast...when I was 4...anyway right now I feel that we are on the edge of a major surge in upgrades..

*Next Gen CPU's are just about to come up
*Next Gen Video cards are just about to come out (ATI, nVidia)
*PCI-Express will replace alot of technologys ie USB, Firewire, PCI, PCI-X, AGP
*SATA will double in speed by end of year.
*LCD Monitors are here but just a little too much atm

I'd say your only real safe bet is a mouse of keyboard...but then theres this whole wireless thing happening....

Im going to upgrade my Case (to Lian-Li PC-75..yay) and Power Suppy to Global Win 550w True Blue only because I know that as far those technologys go, they ain't going anywhere, but Im not sure as Lian-Li just came out with another case with a whole thermal soloution type of thing where the case helps cool the cpu...
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/28
thank you for the comments, I fixed the PCI-X to PCI-Express to avoid confusion
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/04/28
I'm just curious how that rambling reflection on the past has any useful advice at all in it.

Pointing out the blatantly obvious (That the PC market has been stagnant) along with the odd reference to bottlenecks and the way buyers are milked isnt really my idea of a great article.

What was the point of it? To mention a couple of catchword technologies in the vague hope that the future looks bright?
Well it doesnt. I think we'll keep incrementing upward at the same slack pace we have been for the last 18months. Until eventually everyone is in almost the same performance range. I think that none of the new technologies will do anything for useful that the current tech cant do until atleast the 2nd generation.
You cant tell me that USB or SATA were/are particularly great initially. It took years and a significant revision before USB really took off - because all the old stuff stopped being made and USB was easier at the time.
SATA now there's a funny joke. 10% premium for what? a different connector? Not only that but it supports LESS drives than it's "inferior" predecessor. SATA2 might be better.

Basically, upgrade when you have the cash to what suits you at the time. Choosing to wait for the amazing new stuff is generally going to dissappoint you with high expectations and buggy version 1.0's. Ofcourse if you're rich and love having the "greatest", by all means upgrade. I'll sit here happy in the knowledge that someone else is paying for the mistakes, reporting bugs and bringing the prices down for version2.

-myne.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/28
"To mention a couple of catchword technologies in the vague hope that the future looks bright?"

I'm actually saying that the future does not look bright...
the article is about that fact that upgrading is becoming less important that X years ago, it doesn't hold new advice on how to upgrade, but rather taking a step back.

"that rambling reflection" / "a great article."

it's more an editorial than an article, looking for reactions..which can be informational like yours
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/04/28
Glad you're happy to accept critique - a rare quality

Well, I've reread it with a different, less cynical mindset and I have to say yeah the state of the industry is crappy.
Did you know we're having the annual ram shortage again? I think there's a korean and taiwanese religeous festival or series of public holidays or something at this time on whatever calendar they use. I think it's the chinese calendar because last years shortage was in may I swear.
What we need is a 'killer app'
Comment from jmke @ 2004/04/28
Thank you for that comment Myne, do appreciate any and all comments be it good or bad, the only way to improve is to learn from your mistakes

Longhorn my be pushing the HW limits again with their OS, although I much rather like an OS with the speed of NT (as it runs now on current hardware) with the functionality of XP and stability of Linux
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/04/28
Anyone remember the RAM plant fire in Korea and the earthquake in Taiwan; RAM price shot up 400% within days.
Yes, it's like gasoline price.

I only thing I need upgrade is to buy PSU made in the U.S.A. I am so pissed off with the import liars. Yes, I have to pay more so be it.
Comment from Maffia @ 2004/04/30
Jmke, nice article.

My personal vision is "if it runs, it's ok". I usually just buy when I absolutely must need/have. My first Pc was an old XT I got from my uncle, nice little to learn how a PC works ( God knows at what speed it was running).

My next one was in '94 when I started University, a Compaq 486 running at 66Mhz. Good to do some word processing, spreadsheet stuff.
Still being used by my sister btw.

Used this one 'till '98 when I went to HK and bought myself a top of the line PII 266 Mhz, with a matrox Mill 2, Voodoo card, 64mb ram & 4.3Gb Hd. My how that machine flew.
Cpu Speed increase 403%, pretty nifty. Time difference 4 years.

Around 2000 some games were coming on the market that my 266 couldn't handle anymore, so bought myself an upgrade of CPU (Athlon Slot A 900Mhz), Ram(128 Mb), Mobo and HD(20GB).
Oh yeah, games are running ever so sweet again.
Cpu Speed increase 338%, impressive. Time difference 2 years.

My upgrades were always based on "can I still play new games on it". As my gaming interest have diminished some what, I haven't found the need yet to replace my CPU, although I have added little things like HD, CD Writer and most recently a DVD writer to my setup.

But now I am shopping around to finally do an upgrade after 4 years, and I'm sure I'll find something which will last me several years again.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/05/09
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Somewhere between 130-nm and 90-nm the whole system fell apart. Things stopped working and nobody seemed to notice. . . . Scaling is already dead but nobody noticed it had stopped breathing and its lips had turned blue
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00579/
Comment from Unregistered @ 2004/05/10
good piece
I upgrade about every 2 years and buy hardware on the cheap.
(n-force2 +duron 1800)
Comment from jmke @ 2004/08/04
Next generation games have arrived (Far Cry / Doom 3) and they still run decently on 2 year old hardware!
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/08/04
Would my R9000 pro that gives me over 9,000 score 3DMark2001SE be able to handle???? Five rigs are equiped with the same cards.

-------------------------------------------------

May be time to upgrade to R9800.
Comment from wutske @ 2004/08/04
I'm afraid that's just going to be a litlle bit too slow, maybe on lowest settings.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/08/04
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Originally posted by lazyman
Would my R9000 pro that gives me over 9,000 score 3DMark2001SE be able to handle???? Five rigs are equiped with the same cards.
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from /.

"Well, I got it yesterday morning. I installed it first on my work machine; 2.8Ghz P4, 1GB RAM, Radeon 9200 video card. It was like almost unplayable at 640x480. "
Comment from Sidney @ 2004/08/04
Okay, okay, okay ..... this cheap OCer must upgrade the vcard.

My paremeters -

1) Must have core temp reporting - work related
2) Nice OCing - this will be matter of some luck most of the time.
3) Best performance/price ratio - age related

What are my options?

Thank you.

Got it.

http://www.bfgtech.com/contact_redux.html

Ten miles from my house. Will Check them out.
Comment from jmke @ 2004/08/05
9800XT or FX5900 series.

 

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